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		<title>By: &#8220;Diamonds are Forever&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/05/31/on-white-privilege/#comment-6393</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;Diamonds are Forever&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] years ago, I started seriously thinking about my consumption patterns, materialism, heterosexism, white privilege and Audre Lorde&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/05/31/on-white-privilege/#comment-329</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 01:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachelphilipa, there are many kinds of privilege.  There is white privilege.  There is male privilege.  There is class privilege, heterosexual privilege, and yes, cisgender privilege.  What happened to you was absolutely wrong.  I would also like to point out that it had nothing to do with race.  I imagine that what occurred in this situation is that this man felt resentful of your white privilege (whether legitimately or not) and then saw that he had a different privilege over you.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I do not think that this is okay.  It is not okay for me to exercise white privilege over a black man because he has male privilege over me.  What he did was an abuse of his privilege, a blatant attack on your personhood and on your body.  However, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with his race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachelphilipa, there are many kinds of privilege.  There is white privilege.  There is male privilege.  There is class privilege, heterosexual privilege, and yes, cisgender privilege.  What happened to you was absolutely wrong.  I would also like to point out that it had nothing to do with race.  I imagine that what occurred in this situation is that this man felt resentful of your white privilege (whether legitimately or not) and then saw that he had a different privilege over you.</p>
<p>I do not think that this is okay.  It is not okay for me to exercise white privilege over a black man because he has male privilege over me.  What he did was an abuse of his privilege, a blatant attack on your personhood and on your body.  However, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with his race.</p>
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		<title>By: RachelPhilPa</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/05/31/on-white-privilege/#comment-326</link>
		<dc:creator>RachelPhilPa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 14:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition to being white, I&#039;m a transwoman, so the issue becomes more complicated for me, as I get a lot of antitrans harressment from many people, including people of color.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have become aware of my own privilege, and the racism that comes with that, only recently.  I&#039;m really struggling with this issue of my white privilege vs. lack of cisgender (non-trans) privilege.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;About a week ago, I was getting gas, and a black man asked me for money.  I turned him down.  He got mad, started yelling, and called me cracker.  Ok, that&#039;s fine, I really don&#039;t have cause for complaint here - I think I need to suck that up, rather than start crying about &quot;reverse racism&quot; bullshit.  And I have to rethink my position on not giving money to those who ask for it.  My reasoning has to do with &quot;they&#039;ll use it for drugs and alcohol&quot;, but really, is my reasoning based on my privilege / racism?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But, then, he saw my painted toenails and earrings, called me &quot;faggot bitch&quot; repeatedly and spit on me over and over.  In the minds of many, there&#039;s no difference between queer / trans - we are all &quot;faggots&quot; to them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now, am I supposed to just suck that up too?  Because the sense I get, is that because I am white, I have no right to point out misogyny / homophobia / transphobia in people of color, or to get upset and frightened when it is directed at me.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Although he began with attacking my whiteness, he turned his attack to my transness, and became particularly abusive when he did so.  I&#039;m sorry, but I cannot accept this from anyone, regardless of the race of the other person involved.  I will not be trans-harrassed / bashed and just &quot;suck it up&quot; because it happened to come from a person of color.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to being white, I&#8217;m a transwoman, so the issue becomes more complicated for me, as I get a lot of antitrans harressment from many people, including people of color.</p>
<p>I have become aware of my own privilege, and the racism that comes with that, only recently.  I&#8217;m really struggling with this issue of my white privilege vs. lack of cisgender (non-trans) privilege.</p>
<p>About a week ago, I was getting gas, and a black man asked me for money.  I turned him down.  He got mad, started yelling, and called me cracker.  Ok, that&#8217;s fine, I really don&#8217;t have cause for complaint here &#8211; I think I need to suck that up, rather than start crying about &#8220;reverse racism&#8221; bullshit.  And I have to rethink my position on not giving money to those who ask for it.  My reasoning has to do with &#8220;they&#8217;ll use it for drugs and alcohol&#8221;, but really, is my reasoning based on my privilege / racism?</p>
<p>But, then, he saw my painted toenails and earrings, called me &#8220;faggot bitch&#8221; repeatedly and spit on me over and over.  In the minds of many, there&#8217;s no difference between queer / trans &#8211; we are all &#8220;faggots&#8221; to them.</p>
<p>Now, am I supposed to just suck that up too?  Because the sense I get, is that because I am white, I have no right to point out misogyny / homophobia / transphobia in people of color, or to get upset and frightened when it is directed at me.</p>
<p>Although he began with attacking my whiteness, he turned his attack to my transness, and became particularly abusive when he did so.  I&#8217;m sorry, but I cannot accept this from anyone, regardless of the race of the other person involved.  I will not be trans-harrassed / bashed and just &#8220;suck it up&#8221; because it happened to come from a person of color.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/05/31/on-white-privilege/#comment-317</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 22:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Roy.  I was &lt;i&gt;wondering&lt;/i&gt; where you were!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Roy.  I was <i>wondering</i> where you were!</p>
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		<title>By: Roy</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/05/31/on-white-privilege/#comment-316</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been away on business all week, so I haven&#039;t seen the explosion, and if it&#039;s as big as I imagine it to be, I&#039;m unlikely to wade through the hundreds of comments that there will probably be, but it really doesn&#039;t surprise me, even as it disappoints. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Checking privilege is hard. No doubt. It&#039;s hard to be confronted by it. It&#039;s hard when someone calls you on being shitty, or even on just having the privlege of shittiness being accepted. I&#039;m going to read the posts when I&#039;m back from business (I&#039;m actually going over my allotted time just responding to this!), but, geez. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As a straight guy, I realize that I have to pay attention to my privlege. I have to take the time to recognize that my maleness and straightness afford me certain bonuses. Any time you&#039;re coming at something from a position of relative power or dom, you have to expect that there are going to be things you miss- privilege that you don&#039;t notice. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s tremendously disappointing (even if not entirely surprising) when people that I think of as progressive fall into the same traps as the people that we&#039;re fighting and trying to change and educate. Just like people expect me to look beyond my experiences (rightly) when dealing with feminism, since I&#039;m a man, I expect other people to show the respect and consideration to at least &lt;i&gt;consider&lt;/i&gt; what is being said when dealing with other issues. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Very frustrating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been away on business all week, so I haven&#8217;t seen the explosion, and if it&#8217;s as big as I imagine it to be, I&#8217;m unlikely to wade through the hundreds of comments that there will probably be, but it really doesn&#8217;t surprise me, even as it disappoints. </p>
<p>Checking privilege is hard. No doubt. It&#8217;s hard to be confronted by it. It&#8217;s hard when someone calls you on being shitty, or even on just having the privlege of shittiness being accepted. I&#8217;m going to read the posts when I&#8217;m back from business (I&#8217;m actually going over my allotted time just responding to this!), but, geez. </p>
<p>As a straight guy, I realize that I have to pay attention to my privlege. I have to take the time to recognize that my maleness and straightness afford me certain bonuses. Any time you&#8217;re coming at something from a position of relative power or dom, you have to expect that there are going to be things you miss- privilege that you don&#8217;t notice. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s tremendously disappointing (even if not entirely surprising) when people that I think of as progressive fall into the same traps as the people that we&#8217;re fighting and trying to change and educate. Just like people expect me to look beyond my experiences (rightly) when dealing with feminism, since I&#8217;m a man, I expect other people to show the respect and consideration to at least <i>consider</i> what is being said when dealing with other issues. </p>
<p>Very frustrating.</p>
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		<title>By: Lya Kahlo</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/05/31/on-white-privilege/#comment-313</link>
		<dc:creator>Lya Kahlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have the words to express how sick of the feminist fiascos I am.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Which is not to say that this particular one wasn&#039;t valid - I&#039;m just really really sick of feminists fighting each other, instead of the actual enemy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have the words to express how sick of the feminist fiascos I am.</p>
<p>Which is not to say that this particular one wasn&#8217;t valid &#8211; I&#8217;m just really really sick of feminists fighting each other, instead of the actual enemy.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/05/31/on-white-privilege/#comment-312</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lya-- a lot of WOC bloggers took issue with Jessica of Feministing&#039;s book Full Frontal Feminism.  They felt that it was not inclusive of WOC and extremely white-centered and not for &quot;young women&quot; but for &quot;young middle-class white women.&quot;  [Haven&#039;t read the book, can&#039;t say].  Things got really ugly when Jessica&#039;s fans started replying nastily and accusing those bloggers of things like jealousy and then a whole bunch of racism came out and the WOC bloggers got a lot more upset and started relating experiences on Feministing (like this one) where racism was directed at them . . . BIG fiasco.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lya&#8211; a lot of WOC bloggers took issue with Jessica of Feministing&#8217;s book Full Frontal Feminism.  They felt that it was not inclusive of WOC and extremely white-centered and not for &#8220;young women&#8221; but for &#8220;young middle-class white women.&#8221;  [Haven't read the book, can't say].  Things got really ugly when Jessica&#8217;s fans started replying nastily and accusing those bloggers of things like jealousy and then a whole bunch of racism came out and the WOC bloggers got a lot more upset and started relating experiences on Feministing (like this one) where racism was directed at them . . . BIG fiasco.</p>
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		<title>By: Lya Kahlo</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/05/31/on-white-privilege/#comment-311</link>
		<dc:creator>Lya Kahlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the whole FFF fiasco&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Okay - have seen this referrenced countless times - what is this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the whole FFF fiasco&#8221;</p>
<p>Okay &#8211; have seen this referrenced countless times &#8211; what is this?</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/05/31/on-white-privilege/#comment-310</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 04:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen. I really like Feministing - it was my introduction to the feminist blogosphere. But to see the sheer amount of racism in those threads, even after the whole FFF fiasco...I was just lost for words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen. I really like Feministing &#8211; it was my introduction to the feminist blogosphere. But to see the sheer amount of racism in those threads, even after the whole FFF fiasco&#8230;I was just lost for words.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/05/31/on-white-privilege/#comment-309</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People there seem to ALWAYS get really shitty anytime someone brings up POC issues.  It really sucks, because otherwise there are a lot of really cool people who I like conversing with there.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And you&#039;re definitely right about thinking that you have immunity just because you&#039;re liberal.  Which would be hilarious if it wasn&#039;t so sad.  The &quot;What do you mean?  I can&#039;t possibly be a racist!  I&#039;m a feminist!&quot; really makes absolutely zero sense.  I mean, you would like to &lt;i&gt;think&lt;/i&gt; that it would be true.  But it&#039;s clearly not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People there seem to ALWAYS get really shitty anytime someone brings up POC issues.  It really sucks, because otherwise there are a lot of really cool people who I like conversing with there.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re definitely right about thinking that you have immunity just because you&#8217;re liberal.  Which would be hilarious if it wasn&#8217;t so sad.  The &#8220;What do you mean?  I can&#8217;t possibly be a racist!  I&#8217;m a feminist!&#8221; really makes absolutely zero sense.  I mean, you would like to <i>think</i> that it would be true.  But it&#8217;s clearly not.</p>
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