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	<title>Comments on: Democrats are having a crisis of faith on abortion</title>
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		<title>By: sara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/07/28/democrats-are-having-a-crisis-of-faith-on-abortion/#comment-4000</link>
		<dc:creator>sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Men and women who have unprotected sex and dont want to get pregnant may not be immoral sluts, but they certainly made a stupid decision.

I&#039;m not going to sugarcoat people&#039;s bad decisions.

That being said, its clear that a wide array of contraceptive and reproductive services need to be available.  I do wish the abortion rate could be lowered somehow, as I think all surgery is inherently risky and getting condoms and OCPs into every single person&#039;s pocket is a better use of resources.  Condoms and OCPs should be so freely available that they are discarded as trash on the street.  That would go a long ways towards lowering the abortion rate and saving money overall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Men and women who have unprotected sex and dont want to get pregnant may not be immoral sluts, but they certainly made a stupid decision.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to sugarcoat people&#8217;s bad decisions.</p>
<p>That being said, its clear that a wide array of contraceptive and reproductive services need to be available.  I do wish the abortion rate could be lowered somehow, as I think all surgery is inherently risky and getting condoms and OCPs into every single person&#8217;s pocket is a better use of resources.  Condoms and OCPs should be so freely available that they are discarded as trash on the street.  That would go a long ways towards lowering the abortion rate and saving money overall.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/07/28/democrats-are-having-a-crisis-of-faith-on-abortion/#comment-3993</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, folks, I&#039;ve learned something new today.  First of all, I apparently reject myself.  Secondly, feminism has clearly given me the ability to time travel.  Otherwise, I don&#039;t see how I could possibly be a 60s hangover when I was born in 1984.  

And all I can say to that is, if feminism gives you the ability to travel back in time, live in any era you choose and then have the option of bringing said previous era&#039;s politics back to the present . . . who the fuck &lt;i&gt;wouldn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; want to be a feminist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, folks, I&#8217;ve learned something new today.  First of all, I apparently reject myself.  Secondly, feminism has clearly given me the ability to time travel.  Otherwise, I don&#8217;t see how I could possibly be a 60s hangover when I was born in 1984.  </p>
<p>And all I can say to that is, if feminism gives you the ability to travel back in time, live in any era you choose and then have the option of bringing said previous era&#8217;s politics back to the present . . . who the fuck <i>wouldn&#8217;t</i> want to be a feminist?</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/07/28/democrats-are-having-a-crisis-of-faith-on-abortion/#comment-3987</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are nuts!  Young women today reject your old 60&#039;s feminist garbage.  I can do anything I want in life.  We reject your lies that if Roe goes away somehow I lose my right to vote or have to report to the kitchen and take off my shoes.  Young women have seen the 3d images and know the lies you tell about a &quot;mass of tissue&quot;  Young women know they are lucky they don&#039;t live in China where we would most likley have been aborted themselves.  Young women know friends who believed your crap and now cry every day about the child they killed.  And young women today know the real meassage behind your words in this post.  Here are some examples.

“We need to be presenting a person’s ability to have sex however s/he consensually wants to without government interference”
	Translation:  “How dare woman have to take responsibility for the consequences of spreading their legs.  Only men should be forced to take responsibility if women choose not to abort the baby.”

“I want to say here that I have no problem with adoption.”
	Translation:  “women who choose adoption are making those of us who choose to kill our offspring look selfish”

“There are already very large numbers of children awaiting adoption. And what, exactly, are we to do with them? Is it right for the government to encourage women to bring children into the world with no place for them to go?”
	Translation:  “these kids are better off ripped into a little pieces and thrown into a trash can than having to wait to be adopted and if they are never adopted going on to be ummm….. adult people who were never adopted…wait that doesn’t sound that horrible..shhhhhhhh”

“And I think that the majority of the rest of the American public does not think that sex is immoral.”
	Translation:  “we need to ignore that the overwhelming majority of Americans think that abortion on demand is immoral (every and I mean EVERY poll shows that).  We can’t have are representatives voting for things the majority of Americans want..ummm…can we?”

Give it up you 60&#039;s hangovers.  We know the truth.  The polling suggest you are losing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are nuts!  Young women today reject your old 60&#8217;s feminist garbage.  I can do anything I want in life.  We reject your lies that if Roe goes away somehow I lose my right to vote or have to report to the kitchen and take off my shoes.  Young women have seen the 3d images and know the lies you tell about a &#8220;mass of tissue&#8221;  Young women know they are lucky they don&#8217;t live in China where we would most likley have been aborted themselves.  Young women know friends who believed your crap and now cry every day about the child they killed.  And young women today know the real meassage behind your words in this post.  Here are some examples.</p>
<p>“We need to be presenting a person’s ability to have sex however s/he consensually wants to without government interference”<br />
	Translation:  “How dare woman have to take responsibility for the consequences of spreading their legs.  Only men should be forced to take responsibility if women choose not to abort the baby.”</p>
<p>“I want to say here that I have no problem with adoption.”<br />
	Translation:  “women who choose adoption are making those of us who choose to kill our offspring look selfish”</p>
<p>“There are already very large numbers of children awaiting adoption. And what, exactly, are we to do with them? Is it right for the government to encourage women to bring children into the world with no place for them to go?”<br />
	Translation:  “these kids are better off ripped into a little pieces and thrown into a trash can than having to wait to be adopted and if they are never adopted going on to be ummm….. adult people who were never adopted…wait that doesn’t sound that horrible..shhhhhhhh”</p>
<p>“And I think that the majority of the rest of the American public does not think that sex is immoral.”<br />
	Translation:  “we need to ignore that the overwhelming majority of Americans think that abortion on demand is immoral (every and I mean EVERY poll shows that).  We can’t have are representatives voting for things the majority of Americans want..ummm…can we?”</p>
<p>Give it up you 60&#8217;s hangovers.  We know the truth.  The polling suggest you are losing.</p>
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		<title>By: kate.d.</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/07/28/democrats-are-having-a-crisis-of-faith-on-abortion/#comment-967</link>
		<dc:creator>kate.d.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How can we possibly not be fucked if the strategists are buying into the conservative framing of this issue?&lt;/i&gt;

the $64,000 question. i &lt;a href=&quot;http://acatandtwenty.blogspot.com/2007/07/friday-cat-blogging-say-what-edition.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;posted&lt;/a&gt; about this last week, with a bit of a different perspective, but coming back to your question above. this is our &lt;i&gt;first chance&lt;/i&gt; to really get out from under the conservative frame on repro rights in over two decades! that means a) it&#039;s going to really fucking hard work and b) it&#039;s vitally necessary.

not two concepts that usually go well together when we&#039;re talking about politics! and as badly as i want to support HRC, it&#039;s here where she really starts to worry me (she is a clinton, after all).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How can we possibly not be fucked if the strategists are buying into the conservative framing of this issue?</i></p>
<p>the $64,000 question. i <a href="http://acatandtwenty.blogspot.com/2007/07/friday-cat-blogging-say-what-edition.html" rel="nofollow">posted</a> about this last week, with a bit of a different perspective, but coming back to your question above. this is our <i>first chance</i> to really get out from under the conservative frame on repro rights in over two decades! that means a) it&#8217;s going to really fucking hard work and b) it&#8217;s vitally necessary.</p>
<p>not two concepts that usually go well together when we&#8217;re talking about politics! and as badly as i want to support HRC, it&#8217;s here where she really starts to worry me (she is a clinton, after all).</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/07/28/democrats-are-having-a-crisis-of-faith-on-abortion/#comment-946</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my goodness, this is really really frightening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my goodness, this is really really frightening.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/07/28/democrats-are-having-a-crisis-of-faith-on-abortion/#comment-945</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 21:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not even sure that it&#039;s a baby step for the Republicans. I&#039;ll call it one when they actually support legislation with the intent to &lt;i&gt;help women&lt;/i&gt;-- not to save &quot;babies&quot; from the choices of those women.  I don&#039;t think that their intent is to help women at all.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not even sure that it&#8217;s a baby step for the Republicans. I&#8217;ll call it one when they actually support legislation with the intent to <i>help women</i>&#8211; not to save &#8220;babies&#8221; from the choices of those women.  I don&#8217;t think that their intent is to help women at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracey</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/07/28/democrats-are-having-a-crisis-of-faith-on-abortion/#comment-944</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 21:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I can&#039;t remember where it was, but I recently read a blog post about this legislation, and the author was celebrating its bright side -- that Republicans are actually supporting this policy despite the fact that it involves supporting mothers and providing services for them.  Now, I get that it&#039;s a baby step in the right direction on the part of conservatives, but I had the same reaction to it that you did.  That this is a huge and scary step backward for democrats.  Yikes, yikes, yikes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I can&#8217;t remember where it was, but I recently read a blog post about this legislation, and the author was celebrating its bright side &#8212; that Republicans are actually supporting this policy despite the fact that it involves supporting mothers and providing services for them.  Now, I get that it&#8217;s a baby step in the right direction on the part of conservatives, but I had the same reaction to it that you did.  That this is a huge and scary step backward for democrats.  Yikes, yikes, yikes.</p>
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