Comments on: Just Like Buying (sexually exploited) Milk and Eggs http://thecurvature.com/2007/08/22/just-like-buying-sexually-exploited-milk-and-eggs/ Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:09:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Anorak http://thecurvature.com/2007/08/22/just-like-buying-sexually-exploited-milk-and-eggs/#comment-1315 Anorak Fri, 07 Sep 2007 04:01:42 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/08/22/just-like-buying-sexually-exploited-milk-and-eggs/#comment-1315 It was when I got to this: "To assume selling sex is an immoral activity is to speculate that all sex is immoral" that I laughed out loud. Nutter. I live in a country that has legal prostitution. I supported the law reform, as I saw it helping sex workers. That doesn't mean I don't despise people who pay for sex. I do. But if legalising it makes it possible for prostitutes to report rape, insist on condom-use, report ill-treatment from pimps, and make use of government-sponsered health services, then I will always support legalisation. It doesn't mean I have to like prostitution. And THAT certainly doesn't mean that I don't like sex. Like I said, nutter. It was when I got to this:
“To assume selling sex is an immoral activity is to speculate that all sex is immoral” that I laughed out loud. Nutter.
I live in a country that has legal prostitution.
I supported the law reform, as I saw it helping sex workers.
That doesn’t mean I don’t despise people who pay for sex. I do.
But if legalising it makes it possible for prostitutes to report rape, insist on condom-use, report ill-treatment from pimps, and make use of government-sponsered health services, then I will always support legalisation.
It doesn’t mean I have to like prostitution.
And THAT certainly doesn’t mean that I don’t like sex.
Like I said, nutter.

]]> By: Liz http://thecurvature.com/2007/08/22/just-like-buying-sexually-exploited-milk-and-eggs/#comment-1310 Liz Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:35:16 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/08/22/just-like-buying-sexually-exploited-milk-and-eggs/#comment-1310 I have nothing to add; just wanted to say that I think this is a great post. Thanks! I have nothing to add; just wanted to say that I think this is a great post. Thanks!

]]> By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2007/08/22/just-like-buying-sexually-exploited-milk-and-eggs/#comment-1186 Cara Mon, 27 Aug 2007 04:32:48 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/08/22/just-like-buying-sexually-exploited-milk-and-eggs/#comment-1186 Okay, sorry, wait a minute-- millions??? Thousands, I believe. Tens of thousands, sure. Hundreds of thousands . . . <i>maybe</i>. Millions? I'd like to see a citation, please. Okay, sorry, wait a minute– millions???

Thousands, I believe. Tens of thousands, sure. Hundreds of thousands . . . maybe. Millions? I’d like to see a citation, please.

]]> By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2007/08/22/just-like-buying-sexually-exploited-milk-and-eggs/#comment-1185 Cara Mon, 27 Aug 2007 04:23:40 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/08/22/just-like-buying-sexually-exploited-milk-and-eggs/#comment-1185 Yes, of course they do. But male prostitution is a minority of all prostitution, and male prostitution with <i>male customers</i> makes up a majority of that market, too. So yes, it exists, but it's not nearly as common. It's also not what this study is about. And this is a feminist blog. So. Yes, of course they do. But male prostitution is a minority of all prostitution, and male prostitution with male customers makes up a majority of that market, too. So yes, it exists, but it’s not nearly as common. It’s also not what this study is about. And this is a feminist blog. So.

]]> By: Expat in Thailand http://thecurvature.com/2007/08/22/just-like-buying-sexually-exploited-milk-and-eggs/#comment-1184 Expat in Thailand Mon, 27 Aug 2007 04:06:59 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/08/22/just-like-buying-sexually-exploited-milk-and-eggs/#comment-1184 I read this article with interest. I am British, but I live in Thailand and prostitution is a daily reality for anyone living in a Thai city. I think your omission of a comparison of female sex purchasers is revealing. Are you aware that every year millions of Asian (usually Japanese and Korean) women come to Bangkok to hire male sexual services? I read this article with interest. I am British, but I live in Thailand and prostitution is a daily reality for anyone living in a Thai city.

I think your omission of a comparison of female sex purchasers is revealing. Are you aware that every year millions of Asian (usually Japanese and Korean) women come to Bangkok to hire male sexual services?

]]> By: kissmypineapple http://thecurvature.com/2007/08/22/just-like-buying-sexually-exploited-milk-and-eggs/#comment-1182 kissmypineapple Sun, 26 Aug 2007 00:39:47 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/08/22/just-like-buying-sexually-exploited-milk-and-eggs/#comment-1182 Seriously? I would say prostitution would fall under the category of effect. The cultural oppression of women is what allows these men to separate personhood from purchase. It's not that men are willing to pay for sex. It's that they don't see a human being. And being able to do that in one area of a person's life, makes it all that much easier to do it in all areas. If they don't see a person when they pay for sex, it would be easy to separate the woman from her body when he sees one walking down the street, or getting his coffee at Starbucks, or even when he's dating them. The objectification and subsequent commodification of women and their bodies is systemic. Like Cara said, prostitution doesn't exist in a vacuum. And neither does anything else. Well, except dirt. Sometimes. Seriously? I would say prostitution would fall under the category of effect. The cultural oppression of women is what allows these men to separate personhood from purchase. It’s not that men are willing to pay for sex. It’s that they don’t see a human being. And being able to do that in one area of a person’s life, makes it all that much easier to do it in all areas. If they don’t see a person when they pay for sex, it would be easy to separate the woman from her body when he sees one walking down the street, or getting his coffee at Starbucks, or even when he’s dating them. The objectification and subsequent commodification of women and their bodies is systemic. Like Cara said, prostitution doesn’t exist in a vacuum. And neither does anything else. Well, except dirt. Sometimes.

]]> By: Me http://thecurvature.com/2007/08/22/just-like-buying-sexually-exploited-milk-and-eggs/#comment-1181 Me Sun, 26 Aug 2007 00:14:30 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/08/22/just-like-buying-sexually-exploited-milk-and-eggs/#comment-1181 I'd say that the cultural oppression of women is a problem faced by the prostitution industry, not a cause/effect. I’d say that the cultural oppression of women is a problem faced by the prostitution industry, not a cause/effect.

]]> By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2007/08/22/just-like-buying-sexually-exploited-milk-and-eggs/#comment-1180 Cara Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:27:48 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/08/22/just-like-buying-sexually-exploited-milk-and-eggs/#comment-1180 I speculated that you would agree with me, did I not? I'm glad that you think abortion should be free and legally available. Again, I look forward to the passion. The poor rationale in your argument is the assumption that prostitution exists in a vacuum outside of the cultural oppression of women. Either that, or you don't feel that a cultural oppression of women exists, which would be an even worse argument. I speculated that you would agree with me, did I not? I’m glad that you think abortion should be free and legally available. Again, I look forward to the passion.

The poor rationale in your argument is the assumption that prostitution exists in a vacuum outside of the cultural oppression of women. Either that, or you don’t feel that a cultural oppression of women exists, which would be an even worse argument.

]]> By: Me http://thecurvature.com/2007/08/22/just-like-buying-sexually-exploited-milk-and-eggs/#comment-1179 Me Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:01:44 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/08/22/just-like-buying-sexually-exploited-milk-and-eggs/#comment-1179 Your best argument against me now is to speculate on what you think I might believe? Especilly since I've said indicates the contrary. If I take such a libertarian standpoint on sexual freedom, why would I then turn suit and be socially conservative on abortion? To set the record straight for you, I believe abortion should be legal and freely available. But instead of moving the goalposts, why not tell me what you believe to be bad rationale in my arguments? Your best argument against me now is to speculate on what you think I might believe? Especilly since I’ve said indicates the contrary. If I take such a libertarian standpoint on sexual freedom, why would I then turn suit and be socially conservative on abortion? To set the record straight for you, I believe abortion should be legal and freely available.

But instead of moving the goalposts, why not tell me what you believe to be bad rationale in my arguments?

]]> By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2007/08/22/just-like-buying-sexually-exploited-milk-and-eggs/#comment-1176 Cara Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:18:07 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/08/22/just-like-buying-sexually-exploited-milk-and-eggs/#comment-1176 I have to say that I disagree with you 100% on just about everything here. But if you're all about bodily autonomy, I certainly hope that you are equally passionate about pro-choice and anti-rape (particularly with prostitutes as victims) stances. I look forward to hearing your disgust over rape-apologists and anti-choice bigots who try to control women's bodies. I blog on those issues extremely frequently, so I look forward to your vigorous defense of women's rights. I have to say that I disagree with you 100% on just about everything here.

But if you’re all about bodily autonomy, I certainly hope that you are equally passionate about pro-choice and anti-rape (particularly with prostitutes as victims) stances. I look forward to hearing your disgust over rape-apologists and anti-choice bigots who try to control women’s bodies. I blog on those issues extremely frequently, so I look forward to your vigorous defense of women’s rights.

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