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		<title>By: Seeing Eye Chick</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/08/27/on-sex-trafficking-and-johns/#comment-1429</link>
		<dc:creator>Seeing Eye Chick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I had a good answer but I dont. 

As long as society rejects what they do overtly, as something dirty, then it will be difficult to protect these people from predators. 

Society treats these people as non-humans, and that makes them expendable, inanimate objects. If they object to this treatment they are seen as niave and unreasonable, not as a person trying to assert their human rights. 

Making laws to regulate prostitution might help. There is no way to completely rid any profession of illegal activity, so the hope is to minimize it. 

But that is coming from a non Expert on the outside of this profession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I had a good answer but I dont. </p>
<p>As long as society rejects what they do overtly, as something dirty, then it will be difficult to protect these people from predators. </p>
<p>Society treats these people as non-humans, and that makes them expendable, inanimate objects. If they object to this treatment they are seen as niave and unreasonable, not as a person trying to assert their human rights. </p>
<p>Making laws to regulate prostitution might help. There is no way to completely rid any profession of illegal activity, so the hope is to minimize it. </p>
<p>But that is coming from a non Expert on the outside of this profession.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/08/27/on-sex-trafficking-and-johns/#comment-1408</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what do you suggest?  Clearly, the current system of arresting sex workers and forcing them to hide &quot;underground&quot; is not working or protecting them, either.  I delve more into what I think actual decriminalization of prostitution should entail &lt;a href=&quot;http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/12/can-brothels-ever-be-safe/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in this post&lt;/a&gt;.  At this point, I am unaware of a better plan.  But I&#039;m open to hearing more if anyone has them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what do you suggest?  Clearly, the current system of arresting sex workers and forcing them to hide &#8220;underground&#8221; is not working or protecting them, either.  I delve more into what I think actual decriminalization of prostitution should entail <a href="http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/12/can-brothels-ever-be-safe/" rel="nofollow">in this post</a>.  At this point, I am unaware of a better plan.  But I&#8217;m open to hearing more if anyone has them.</p>
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		<title>By: Seeing Eye Chick</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/08/27/on-sex-trafficking-and-johns/#comment-1407</link>
		<dc:creator>Seeing Eye Chick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cara, I urge you to read Brothel, by Alexa Robert. While I understand that this book is about American Prostitutes in Nevada that are legal, what the author discovered was that many of the women still sent their money to pimps. 

People seem to think that because a woman succumbs to this life and makes the best of it, that she is somehow a willing participant. Not at all. 

Where will she go? What kind of job will she seek after this? One has to ask, because you are talking about a kind of institutionalized mentality in which these women are humiliated in every way by their pimps and handlers, and JOHNS, and then rejected out of hand by *proper society, members who feel morally superior to these ladies because they tell themselves it could never happen to them. 
To live in such niave certainty, is there any substitute for that? LOL.

These women do what they have to, to survive. And they should not be forced to make any apologies for making difficult choices to survive a life that is as brutal and short as a fighting dog in illegal gaming. 

60 clients a day. Most people associate sex with pleasure, but women know {or should remember} that more than a couple times a day leads to physical pain and could lead to permanent damage. The women in Brothel solved this problem by putting tampons soaked in Mentholadum {sp?} in their vagina&#039;s  {a home remedy that mimicks muscle rubs but without the copious chemical burn}.

I want readers to imagine that. Being so sore on the one part of your body that was meant for pleasure and/or child birth hurting so bad, that you would shove an object coated in menthol up there to make the hurting stop. 

I doubt the prostitutes being forced into this profession by sex traffickers are even offered that much.

If in a perfect world women and men could sell sex for money and make a decent and respectable living I would be all for it. But as it remains, it is exclusively the domain of organized crime. 

Until that is directly addressed and these women and men are gifted with human rights like any other person {without regard to their trade} then I just dont see how it can work.

Making it legal under these circumstances only offers the gangs the opportunity to put up a legal front to hide the crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cara, I urge you to read Brothel, by Alexa Robert. While I understand that this book is about American Prostitutes in Nevada that are legal, what the author discovered was that many of the women still sent their money to pimps. </p>
<p>People seem to think that because a woman succumbs to this life and makes the best of it, that she is somehow a willing participant. Not at all. </p>
<p>Where will she go? What kind of job will she seek after this? One has to ask, because you are talking about a kind of institutionalized mentality in which these women are humiliated in every way by their pimps and handlers, and JOHNS, and then rejected out of hand by *proper society, members who feel morally superior to these ladies because they tell themselves it could never happen to them.<br />
To live in such niave certainty, is there any substitute for that? LOL.</p>
<p>These women do what they have to, to survive. And they should not be forced to make any apologies for making difficult choices to survive a life that is as brutal and short as a fighting dog in illegal gaming. </p>
<p>60 clients a day. Most people associate sex with pleasure, but women know {or should remember} that more than a couple times a day leads to physical pain and could lead to permanent damage. The women in Brothel solved this problem by putting tampons soaked in Mentholadum {sp?} in their vagina&#8217;s  {a home remedy that mimicks muscle rubs but without the copious chemical burn}.</p>
<p>I want readers to imagine that. Being so sore on the one part of your body that was meant for pleasure and/or child birth hurting so bad, that you would shove an object coated in menthol up there to make the hurting stop. </p>
<p>I doubt the prostitutes being forced into this profession by sex traffickers are even offered that much.</p>
<p>If in a perfect world women and men could sell sex for money and make a decent and respectable living I would be all for it. But as it remains, it is exclusively the domain of organized crime. </p>
<p>Until that is directly addressed and these women and men are gifted with human rights like any other person {without regard to their trade} then I just dont see how it can work.</p>
<p>Making it legal under these circumstances only offers the gangs the opportunity to put up a legal front to hide the crime.</p>
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		<title>By: Gayle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gayle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 00:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sex trafficking in the States is on the rise, although it&#039;s not yet as bad as in some European countries, where legalized prostitution creates a happy facade behind which, organized gangs hide trafficked women and girls. 

The dire poverty, unemployment and displacement created by globalization, war, and the flagrant oppression of girls and women (primarily) fuels trafficking.  People, who under normal circumstances, would never leave their home towns, never mind their home countries, are answering blind ads promising respectable, if not exactly fulfilling, work in desperate hope of a better future.  This is how so many enter the system.  

This isn&#039;t just fueling sex trafficking, either; it&#039;s fueling domestic servitude and sweats shops, too.   

Trafficking is modern day slavery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sex trafficking in the States is on the rise, although it&#8217;s not yet as bad as in some European countries, where legalized prostitution creates a happy facade behind which, organized gangs hide trafficked women and girls. </p>
<p>The dire poverty, unemployment and displacement created by globalization, war, and the flagrant oppression of girls and women (primarily) fuels trafficking.  People, who under normal circumstances, would never leave their home towns, never mind their home countries, are answering blind ads promising respectable, if not exactly fulfilling, work in desperate hope of a better future.  This is how so many enter the system.  </p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t just fueling sex trafficking, either; it&#8217;s fueling domestic servitude and sweats shops, too.   </p>
<p>Trafficking is modern day slavery.</p>
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		<title>By: Gayle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gayle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 00:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I blame the Johns as well.  No Johns = No trafficking.  

I don&#039;t see how they couldn&#039;t know about this slavery, either.  They know, they just don&#039;t give a damn.  Or maybe that&#039;s part of the thrill for them.  

Cretins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I blame the Johns as well.  No Johns = No trafficking.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how they couldn&#8217;t know about this slavery, either.  They know, they just don&#8217;t give a damn.  Or maybe that&#8217;s part of the thrill for them.  </p>
<p>Cretins.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/08/27/on-sex-trafficking-and-johns/#comment-1226</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks!  I&#039;ll add it to my insanely long wish list :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!  I&#8217;ll add it to my insanely long wish list :)</p>
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		<title>By: Lancastrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lancastrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cara, if you&#039;d like to learn more about Nevada&#039;s most infamous legal brothel, I&#039;d recommend the book &quot;Brothel: Mustang Ranch and Its Women&quot; by Alexa Albert.  It started out as a study in condom use and ends up looking at the prostitutes, society, and stigma as well.  Her writing style is nice mix of academic and conversational writing, and so very easy to get through while taking in a good amount of information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cara, if you&#8217;d like to learn more about Nevada&#8217;s most infamous legal brothel, I&#8217;d recommend the book &#8220;Brothel: Mustang Ranch and Its Women&#8221; by Alexa Albert.  It started out as a study in condom use and ends up looking at the prostitutes, society, and stigma as well.  Her writing style is nice mix of academic and conversational writing, and so very easy to get through while taking in a good amount of information.</p>
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		<title>By: soupcann314</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/08/27/on-sex-trafficking-and-johns/#comment-1219</link>
		<dc:creator>soupcann314</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re welcome. =-) It was a really interesting project I worked on for a little over a month last year, so it&#039;s good to go back and look over my notes from that time.

I think decriminalization is also the way to go - it definitely helps the agency and protection of women who chose to go into this line of work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re welcome. =-) It was a really interesting project I worked on for a little over a month last year, so it&#8217;s good to go back and look over my notes from that time.</p>
<p>I think decriminalization is also the way to go &#8211; it definitely helps the agency and protection of women who chose to go into this line of work.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool, thanks for all of the info.  My guesses were mostly confirmed.

Of course, even if brothels weren&#039;t any &quot;safer&quot; than illegal prostitution, I would still support decriminalization.  It would just reduce my reasons to only one: the way to help prostitutes is not to subject them to police harassment and imprisonment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool, thanks for all of the info.  My guesses were mostly confirmed.</p>
<p>Of course, even if brothels weren&#8217;t any &#8220;safer&#8221; than illegal prostitution, I would still support decriminalization.  It would just reduce my reasons to only one: the way to help prostitutes is not to subject them to police harassment and imprisonment.</p>
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		<title>By: soupcann314</title>
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		<dc:creator>soupcann314</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll do my best with these...

Are rates of violence and sexual assault lower in brothels than in “street” prostitution? I don&#039;t know the exact rates, but brothels would generally be a safer environment than the streets - more than one woman is working in the house at a time, along with the other service staff (housekeepers, etc.) and the madam. Some brothels even hire extra security force. In street prostitution, it&#039;s basically every woman for herself, and even when these women are assaulted, sexually or otherwise, they tend not to report it to the police because they&#039;re afraid of being punished for prostitution.

Is drug use banned, encouraged or ignored? I actually have no idea about this.

If a “customer” is violent, do they tend to report it or look the other way? Generally, it is reported and the customer is forced to leave. As I said above, there is more security in a brothel than in street prostitution.

You say that the women aren’t usually “locals”– do they tend to come from other parts of America, come willingly from foreign countries, or come as trafficked women from foreign countries? Generally, they come from other parts of America, at least in the &quot;official&quot; brothels. They have to be able to legally work in the U.S., after all, or the brothel would lose its license. That is not to say, however, that there are not underground brothels where sex traffickers run the show. My project was strictly on the legal aspect of brothels, so I didn&#039;t look too much into underground prostitution.  I guess that answers the last question, too.

It&#039;s probably also worth mentioning that several police departments are starting to change their policy on dealing with prostitution. In Pittsburgh, for example, the johns are required to attend a &quot;johns&quot; school, where they hear former prostitutes talk about the damage prostitution did to them, and they pay court fees, a portion of which goes to support programs designed to help former prostitutes.  You can read about them &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pittsburghcitypaper.ws/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A27758&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll do my best with these&#8230;</p>
<p>Are rates of violence and sexual assault lower in brothels than in “street” prostitution? I don&#8217;t know the exact rates, but brothels would generally be a safer environment than the streets &#8211; more than one woman is working in the house at a time, along with the other service staff (housekeepers, etc.) and the madam. Some brothels even hire extra security force. In street prostitution, it&#8217;s basically every woman for herself, and even when these women are assaulted, sexually or otherwise, they tend not to report it to the police because they&#8217;re afraid of being punished for prostitution.</p>
<p>Is drug use banned, encouraged or ignored? I actually have no idea about this.</p>
<p>If a “customer” is violent, do they tend to report it or look the other way? Generally, it is reported and the customer is forced to leave. As I said above, there is more security in a brothel than in street prostitution.</p>
<p>You say that the women aren’t usually “locals”– do they tend to come from other parts of America, come willingly from foreign countries, or come as trafficked women from foreign countries? Generally, they come from other parts of America, at least in the &#8220;official&#8221; brothels. They have to be able to legally work in the U.S., after all, or the brothel would lose its license. That is not to say, however, that there are not underground brothels where sex traffickers run the show. My project was strictly on the legal aspect of brothels, so I didn&#8217;t look too much into underground prostitution.  I guess that answers the last question, too.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s probably also worth mentioning that several police departments are starting to change their policy on dealing with prostitution. In Pittsburgh, for example, the johns are required to attend a &#8220;johns&#8221; school, where they hear former prostitutes talk about the damage prostitution did to them, and they pay court fees, a portion of which goes to support programs designed to help former prostitutes.  You can read about them <a href="http://www.pittsburghcitypaper.ws/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A27758" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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