Comments on: Does the “Reverse Glass Ceiling” Exist? http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/19/does-the-reverse-glass-ceiling-exist/ Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:34:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/19/does-the-reverse-glass-ceiling-exist/#comment-1452 Cara Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:08:37 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/19/does-the-reverse-glass-ceiling-exist/#comment-1452 Haha, thanks Mary Tracy. I wasn't intending to :) Haha, thanks Mary Tracy. I wasn’t intending to :)

]]> By: Mary Tracy9 http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/19/does-the-reverse-glass-ceiling-exist/#comment-1451 Mary Tracy9 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:04:45 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/19/does-the-reverse-glass-ceiling-exist/#comment-1451 Being "over the top" is not just appropiate. It's NECESSARY. I love the way Cara expressed herself. I would like MY style of writing sound like that when I'm outraged. Instead I just go "..., well, emmmm,.... FUCK YOU ALL!!!. THERE!" May I also add that had Cara been a MALE, no one would dare comment on the level of "rage" expressed here? Because if a man is angry, it must be because of something important, whereas if a woman is, it must be because she's whinging about some laundry that needs doing, or something. DO NOT CHANGE EITHER YOUR OUTRAGE OR YOUR STYLE. THERE. Being “over the top” is not just appropiate. It’s NECESSARY.

I love the way Cara expressed herself. I would like MY style of writing sound like that when I’m outraged. Instead I just go “…, well, emmmm,…. FUCK YOU ALL!!!. THERE!”

May I also add that had Cara been a MALE, no one would dare comment on the level of “rage” expressed here? Because if a man is angry, it must be because of something important, whereas if a woman is, it must be because she’s whinging about some laundry that needs doing, or something.

DO NOT CHANGE EITHER YOUR OUTRAGE OR YOUR STYLE. THERE.

]]> By: Meg http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/19/does-the-reverse-glass-ceiling-exist/#comment-1446 Meg Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:22:35 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/19/does-the-reverse-glass-ceiling-exist/#comment-1446 Hmm...maybe I'm just a naive teenager, but what the hell does a glass ceiling have to do with this? Great rant by the way. Hmm…maybe I’m just a naive teenager, but what the hell does a glass ceiling have to do with this?

Great rant by the way.

]]> By: boadicea http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/19/does-the-reverse-glass-ceiling-exist/#comment-1441 boadicea Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:12:20 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/19/does-the-reverse-glass-ceiling-exist/#comment-1441 Sorry if I was "over the top" but I can really relate. Sorry if I was “over the top” but I can really relate.

]]> By: boadicea http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/19/does-the-reverse-glass-ceiling-exist/#comment-1440 boadicea Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:12:01 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/19/does-the-reverse-glass-ceiling-exist/#comment-1440 I am a nurse and when I was in nursing school I had several men in my class. I will always remember my instructor stating that it was great that men were in the field because it would make all of us more money and would garner more respect for the career of nursing. Since I've been in nursing I have seen male nurses get treated with more respect by doctors and they are the ones to whom doctors discuss plans of care, even when a more senior female nurse is present. I have had one male nurse actually say to me that he was too important to worry about little things(like dressing changes, changing IV tubing, bathing the patient, etc) and that stuff was for me to worry about. I was more educated, and more senior than this nurse, and way more knowledgable. So fuck you to every guy who complains about the reverse glass ceiling. Men didn't start coming into nursing until there was more money to be made. Women did this career for little money and no thanks for decades!!! ps...some male nurses are wonderful and kind. They do not think they are better because of their penises. But to the men who are complaining about a glass ceiling..they are obviously complaining because women are dominating a certain industry. And by now we should all know, if you have a penis no bitch woman should be in charge of you!!! I am a nurse and when I was in nursing school I had several men in my class. I will always remember my instructor stating that it was great that men were in the field because it would make all of us more money and would garner more respect for the career of nursing. Since I’ve been in nursing I have seen male nurses get treated with more respect by doctors and they are the ones to whom doctors discuss plans of care, even when a more senior female nurse is present. I have had one male nurse actually say to me that he was too important to worry about little things(like dressing changes, changing IV tubing, bathing the patient, etc) and that stuff was for me to worry about. I was more educated, and more senior than this nurse, and way more knowledgable. So fuck you to every guy who complains about the reverse glass ceiling. Men didn’t start coming into nursing until there was more money to be made. Women did this career for little money and no thanks for decades!!!

ps…some male nurses are wonderful and kind. They do not think they are better because of their penises. But to the men who are complaining about a glass ceiling..they are obviously complaining because women are dominating a certain industry. And by now we should all know, if you have a penis no bitch woman should be in charge of you!!!

]]> By: Tracey http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/19/does-the-reverse-glass-ceiling-exist/#comment-1432 Tracey Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:10:15 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/19/does-the-reverse-glass-ceiling-exist/#comment-1432 This is right on. I hate it when people assume that men trying to work in traditionally female roles face the same challenges that women who try to enter traditionally male fields do. It's not the same thing AT ALL. While women are still often viewed as less than capable nuissances in such a situation, men are often thought of as highly desirable novelties. While they may face some misogynistic/homophobic criticism from closed-minded people outside their profession, those inside their profession (who are responsible for supporting and promoting them)are likely to inflate their egos with high praise for being the wonderful-type men who are willing to do such work. They are showered with cookies. I refuse to entertain the notion that a glass ceiling exists for such men. This is right on. I hate it when people assume that men trying to work in traditionally female roles face the same challenges that women who try to enter traditionally male fields do. It’s not the same thing AT ALL. While women are still often viewed as less than capable nuissances in such a situation, men are often thought of as highly desirable novelties. While they may face some misogynistic/homophobic criticism from closed-minded people outside their profession, those inside their profession (who are responsible for supporting and promoting them)are likely to inflate their egos with high praise for being the wonderful-type men who are willing to do such work. They are showered with cookies. I refuse to entertain the notion that a glass ceiling exists for such men.

]]> By: Lancastrian http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/19/does-the-reverse-glass-ceiling-exist/#comment-1431 Lancastrian Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:50:15 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/19/does-the-reverse-glass-ceiling-exist/#comment-1431 Damn it, the first sentence of the above should read "...for people who are at Cara's..." Sorry. Damn it, the first sentence of the above should read “…for people who are at Cara’s…”

Sorry.

]]> By: Lancastrian http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/19/does-the-reverse-glass-ceiling-exist/#comment-1430 Lancastrian Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:48:56 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/19/does-the-reverse-glass-ceiling-exist/#comment-1430 See, David, for people who are Cara's level of frustration with this crap, her tone was perfect. Having worked in customer service for several years (generally considered women's work unless there's a tech aspect to it) and seen this exact thing go on, I found this post to be a hell of a lot articulate and reasoned than I could have managed. Dealing with crap from sexist assholes tends to get my dander up. The two sided coin of men in "women's professions" being amazing innovators or worthless pussies is alive and well, and entirely based on the idea that male=awesum!!11!! and female=suxxor. Screw that mindset and the horse it rode in on. See, David, for people who are Cara’s level of frustration with this crap, her tone was perfect. Having worked in customer service for several years (generally considered women’s work unless there’s a tech aspect to it) and seen this exact thing go on, I found this post to be a hell of a lot articulate and reasoned than I could have managed. Dealing with crap from sexist assholes tends to get my dander up.

The two sided coin of men in “women’s professions” being amazing innovators or worthless pussies is alive and well, and entirely based on the idea that male=awesum!!11!! and female=suxxor. Screw that mindset and the horse it rode in on.

]]> By: Sara http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/19/does-the-reverse-glass-ceiling-exist/#comment-1428 Sara Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:42:27 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/19/does-the-reverse-glass-ceiling-exist/#comment-1428 wow, what an amazing response. I think this reverse glass ceiling bull shit is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard in quite a long time. I wish all the ignorant people out there could read some of your articles like this and realize what a terribly patriarchial society we live in. wow, what an amazing response. I think this reverse glass ceiling bull shit is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve heard in quite a long time. I wish all the ignorant people out there could read some of your articles like this and realize what a terribly patriarchial society we live in.

]]> By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/19/does-the-reverse-glass-ceiling-exist/#comment-1427 Cara Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:20:24 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/19/does-the-reverse-glass-ceiling-exist/#comment-1427 Maybe, but probably not. I don't expect everyone to love my writing style, which definitely can be (and in places here, is) extremely facetious. In any case, though, like my writing style or not, I do think that the level of outrage is appropriate, so I'm not really sure what you think is "over the top." You'll have to explain that one to me, but until then I'm going to assume that you and I do not share the same form of bitter humor. Maybe, but probably not. I don’t expect everyone to love my writing style, which definitely can be (and in places here, is) extremely facetious.

In any case, though, like my writing style or not, I do think that the level of outrage is appropriate, so I’m not really sure what you think is “over the top.” You’ll have to explain that one to me, but until then I’m going to assume that you and I do not share the same form of bitter humor.

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