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		<title>By: Lancastrian</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/20/aurora-on-my-mind/#comment-1500</link>
		<dc:creator>Lancastrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 01:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait... was Hal thwarting me with the concept that the fact that illegal abortion kills women is a lie?  So, is he okay with abortion as long as it&#039;s in a back alley or something?

If you&#039;re going to try to keep the moniker of &#039;prolife&#039;, hon, you might not want to make your cheerful acceptance of women&#039;s deaths so blatant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait&#8230; was Hal thwarting me with the concept that the fact that illegal abortion kills women is a lie?  So, is he okay with abortion as long as it&#8217;s in a back alley or something?</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to try to keep the moniker of &#8216;prolife&#8217;, hon, you might not want to make your cheerful acceptance of women&#8217;s deaths so blatant.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/20/aurora-on-my-mind/#comment-1481</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the info, Linda-- I will probably highlight it in a post later on today!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the info, Linda&#8211; I will probably highlight it in a post later on today!</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/20/aurora-on-my-mind/#comment-1478</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 05:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for this: &quot;If you don’t want Planned Parenthood to be a dangerous place, stop making it so damn dangerous.&quot; I was out at the Aurora site the other day and said something similar (though not as sharp or concise) to an anti-abortion picketer, and she couldn&#039;t really answer me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;An update .... &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Planned Parenthood is calling for a rally this coming Tuesday, 9/25, at the Aurora City Council. Please visit ppaurora.blogspot.com&lt;br /&gt;
for all the particulars. Everyone who can should support them in this -- remember when the antis tried to shut down clinics and we stood out and opposed them and stood our ground? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We need to raise an enormous hue and cry over this.&lt;br /&gt;
The idea that we will prevail by simply sitting quietly and letting this be worked out in the courts, hoping not to “make waves” or “offend anyone” is a dangerous illusion that will only lead to us losing more and more ground. Let&#039;s not be naïve about the anti-abortion movement: they are not going to stop at banning abortion, which would be terrible enough. They have a nightmare agenda for women and society: a return to openly patriarchal values, and a return to the traditional order of things where a woman’s role is to be under the thumb of her husband and the producer of his children, where women are openly the property of men to be controlled by their husbands.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Would abortion have ever been legalized without the women&#039;s movement in the first place, without women and men marching and fighting in the streets to demand that women get this basic right? Women&#039;s right to abortion is under attack from the highest levels of the land – where President Bush is an open supporter of the anti-abortion movement – and in the courts: just this year, the Supreme Court banned a needed late-term abortion procedure, and laws in several states allow pharmacists to refuse women their birth control. This battle over women&#039;s lives and futures needs to get taken up broadly throughout society, in all kinds of venues and arenas. We have to go on the political, ideological and practical offensive against the whole package of biblical-literalist and traditional values And, as part of this, we need to be out in the streets – if the only ones out in the streets were the anti-abortion activists, it would be intolerable.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We can&#039;t be held back from protest by the fear of “offending” someone: first of all, it is the anti-abortion forces, sweeping in and denying women their basic rights, who are the ones being offensive! We cannot cede the moral battle to anti-abortion lunatics. They do not have the moral high ground. Women are not incubators, fetuses are not babies, and abortion is not murder. There is nothing immoral about ending a pregnancy – but the program of denying women the right to abortion (and the basic health care of birth control, STD testing and treatment) is in service of an ugly morality indeed: one that cuts women off from acting in the larger society, contributing all they can to that, and living full lives as productive human beings in every sphere and independent from men. This is the traditional biblical morality that says wives must &quot;submit yourself unto your own husbands as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the Church&quot; (Ephesians 5:22-23. These people want to return society to a place where THAT standard sets the law of the land. That would be a horror for women and a terrible thing for society as a whole.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A clinic offering fully legal and much-needed services should not have to encounter controversy or opposition – but the controversy is here. And we need to step up and defend this most basic right of women. We need to stand up and defend this clinic, we need to be out in the streets demanding it be allowed to open now, and we need to win this struggle – the stakes are very, very high.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this: &#8220;If you don’t want Planned Parenthood to be a dangerous place, stop making it so damn dangerous.&#8221; I was out at the Aurora site the other day and said something similar (though not as sharp or concise) to an anti-abortion picketer, and she couldn&#8217;t really answer me.</p>
<p>An update &#8230;. </p>
<p>Planned Parenthood is calling for a rally this coming Tuesday, 9/25, at the Aurora City Council. Please visit ppaurora.blogspot.com<br />
for all the particulars. Everyone who can should support them in this &#8212; remember when the antis tried to shut down clinics and we stood out and opposed them and stood our ground? </p>
<p>We need to raise an enormous hue and cry over this.<br />
The idea that we will prevail by simply sitting quietly and letting this be worked out in the courts, hoping not to “make waves” or “offend anyone” is a dangerous illusion that will only lead to us losing more and more ground. Let&#8217;s not be naïve about the anti-abortion movement: they are not going to stop at banning abortion, which would be terrible enough. They have a nightmare agenda for women and society: a return to openly patriarchal values, and a return to the traditional order of things where a woman’s role is to be under the thumb of her husband and the producer of his children, where women are openly the property of men to be controlled by their husbands.</p>
<p>Would abortion have ever been legalized without the women&#8217;s movement in the first place, without women and men marching and fighting in the streets to demand that women get this basic right? Women&#8217;s right to abortion is under attack from the highest levels of the land – where President Bush is an open supporter of the anti-abortion movement – and in the courts: just this year, the Supreme Court banned a needed late-term abortion procedure, and laws in several states allow pharmacists to refuse women their birth control. This battle over women&#8217;s lives and futures needs to get taken up broadly throughout society, in all kinds of venues and arenas. We have to go on the political, ideological and practical offensive against the whole package of biblical-literalist and traditional values And, as part of this, we need to be out in the streets – if the only ones out in the streets were the anti-abortion activists, it would be intolerable.</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t be held back from protest by the fear of “offending” someone: first of all, it is the anti-abortion forces, sweeping in and denying women their basic rights, who are the ones being offensive! We cannot cede the moral battle to anti-abortion lunatics. They do not have the moral high ground. Women are not incubators, fetuses are not babies, and abortion is not murder. There is nothing immoral about ending a pregnancy – but the program of denying women the right to abortion (and the basic health care of birth control, STD testing and treatment) is in service of an ugly morality indeed: one that cuts women off from acting in the larger society, contributing all they can to that, and living full lives as productive human beings in every sphere and independent from men. This is the traditional biblical morality that says wives must &#8220;submit yourself unto your own husbands as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the Church&#8221; (Ephesians 5:22-23. These people want to return society to a place where THAT standard sets the law of the land. That would be a horror for women and a terrible thing for society as a whole.</p>
<p>A clinic offering fully legal and much-needed services should not have to encounter controversy or opposition – but the controversy is here. And we need to step up and defend this most basic right of women. We need to stand up and defend this clinic, we need to be out in the streets demanding it be allowed to open now, and we need to win this struggle – the stakes are very, very high.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/20/aurora-on-my-mind/#comment-1469</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Uh, Teresa, where were you?  Notice how I was the only one who formed an actual argument here?&lt;/p&gt;

I don&#039;t ban people because I disagree with them.  I ban them when they a. become insulting or b. start telling lies.  I know, not tolerating people who spread ignorance about women&#039;s health issues is COWARDLY.  Right.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, Teresa, where were you?  Notice how I was the only one who formed an actual argument here?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t ban people because I disagree with them.  I ban them when they a. become insulting or b. start telling lies.  I know, not tolerating people who spread ignorance about women&#8217;s health issues is COWARDLY.  Right.</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/20/aurora-on-my-mind/#comment-1468</link>
		<dc:creator>Teresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t argue with them, then ban them.  Typical liberal coward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t argue with them, then ban them.  Typical liberal coward.</p>
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		<title>By: kissmypineapple</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/20/aurora-on-my-mind/#comment-1466</link>
		<dc:creator>kissmypineapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 05:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bickety bam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bickety bam.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/20/aurora-on-my-mind/#comment-1462</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, NARAL claims &lt;i&gt;up to&lt;/i&gt; 5,000 annual deaths from illegal abortion &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/issues/abortion/access-to-abortion/misuse-of-science-/safety-legal-abortion.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;prior to Roe v. Wade&lt;/a&gt;.

Also, you&#039;re an idiot.  RU-486 is &lt;i&gt;not even the same drug&lt;/i&gt; as emergency contraception.  EC is the &quot;morning after pill,&quot; dipshit, which is just a higher dosage of normal hormonal birth control pills, while RU-486 actually causes abortions.  It&#039;s like calling Advil and Morphine the same thing, and so you really do deserve similar mocking to someone who would make that type of claim-- not only for your extreme ignorance, but for going around parading that ignorance in front of a fucking reproductive rights activist as though it&#039;s fact.

But oh yeah, I&#039;m &lt;i&gt;totally&lt;/i&gt; going to believe your &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; ludicrous claims when you can&#039;t even get the world&#039;s most basic fact straight.  Hm, notice how you come here, make a bogus claim, we ask you for a source and you give us none.  You come back and make another bogus claim, and I refute it with facts.  And what&#039;s that?  Online news archives from the years before 1973 are not comprehensive?  Do you mean . . . &lt;i&gt;not as comprehensive as the 2007 archives&lt;/i&gt;??? No way!  Funny how &lt;i&gt;you&#039;re&lt;/i&gt; the one to claim that the &quot;deaths&quot; made the &quot;news&quot; and yet you fail to produce a single news article.

BANNED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, NARAL claims <i>up to</i> 5,000 annual deaths from illegal abortion <a href="http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/issues/abortion/access-to-abortion/misuse-of-science-/safety-legal-abortion.html" rel="nofollow">prior to Roe v. Wade</a>.</p>
<p>Also, you&#8217;re an idiot.  RU-486 is <i>not even the same drug</i> as emergency contraception.  EC is the &#8220;morning after pill,&#8221; dipshit, which is just a higher dosage of normal hormonal birth control pills, while RU-486 actually causes abortions.  It&#8217;s like calling Advil and Morphine the same thing, and so you really do deserve similar mocking to someone who would make that type of claim&#8211; not only for your extreme ignorance, but for going around parading that ignorance in front of a fucking reproductive rights activist as though it&#8217;s fact.</p>
<p>But oh yeah, I&#8217;m <i>totally</i> going to believe your <i>other</i> ludicrous claims when you can&#8217;t even get the world&#8217;s most basic fact straight.  Hm, notice how you come here, make a bogus claim, we ask you for a source and you give us none.  You come back and make another bogus claim, and I refute it with facts.  And what&#8217;s that?  Online news archives from the years before 1973 are not comprehensive?  Do you mean . . . <i>not as comprehensive as the 2007 archives</i>??? No way!  Funny how <i>you&#8217;re</i> the one to claim that the &#8220;deaths&#8221; made the &#8220;news&#8221; and yet you fail to produce a single news article.</p>
<p>BANNED.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal McCombs</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/20/aurora-on-my-mind/#comment-1461</link>
		<dc:creator>Hal McCombs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got another idea.  Naral has claimed there were ten thousand young women dying a year from &quot;back alley&quot; abortions before 1973.  Yet a thorough search by the Associated Press could come up with only a couple.  How about you show me any kind of evidence of that claim?

P.S.  Naral also wants RU486 to be an OTC &quot;medication&quot;.  There have been seven confirmed deaths from doctor prescribed &quot;morning after&quot; pills (which can be used up to the ninth week of pregnancy, so &quot;morning after&quot; is a joke).  How many young women will die when it can be purchased at a convenient store?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got another idea.  Naral has claimed there were ten thousand young women dying a year from &#8220;back alley&#8221; abortions before 1973.  Yet a thorough search by the Associated Press could come up with only a couple.  How about you show me any kind of evidence of that claim?</p>
<p>P.S.  Naral also wants RU486 to be an OTC &#8220;medication&#8221;.  There have been seven confirmed deaths from doctor prescribed &#8220;morning after&#8221; pills (which can be used up to the ninth week of pregnancy, so &#8220;morning after&#8221; is a joke).  How many young women will die when it can be purchased at a convenient store?</p>
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		<title>By: Lancastrian</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/20/aurora-on-my-mind/#comment-1459</link>
		<dc:creator>Lancastrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh come on Cara, he said they made the news!  Operation Rescue&#039;s website counts as &#039;news&#039;, right?  Right.

Oops, sorry, my snark switch was left on.  My bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh come on Cara, he said they made the news!  Operation Rescue&#8217;s website counts as &#8216;news&#8217;, right?  Right.</p>
<p>Oops, sorry, my snark switch was left on.  My bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/09/20/aurora-on-my-mind/#comment-1455</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, strange how google news archives &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=abortion+deaths+alabama&amp;as_ldate=2007&amp;as_hdate=2007&amp;hl=en&amp;um=1&amp;sa=N&amp;start=0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;couldn&#039;t find shit&lt;/a&gt;.  You&#039;d think that at least one of those &quot;deaths&quot; would have made the news, huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, strange how google news archives <a href="http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=abortion+deaths+alabama&amp;as_ldate=2007&amp;as_hdate=2007&amp;hl=en&amp;um=1&amp;sa=N&amp;start=0" rel="nofollow">couldn&#8217;t find shit</a>.  You&#8217;d think that at least one of those &#8220;deaths&#8221; would have made the news, huh?</p>
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