Comments on: Democrats: We can’t go a week without proving that we’re hopeless http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/28/democrats-we-cant-go-a-week-without-proving-that-were-hopeless/ Sat, 28 Apr 2012 20:40:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/28/democrats-we-cant-go-a-week-without-proving-that-were-hopeless/#comment-1871 Cara Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:42:30 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/28/democrats-we-cant-go-a-week-without-proving-that-were-hopeless/#comment-1871 I should have been more clear: the obscure and ridiculous principle I was referring to is that NH and Iowa are somehow entitled to their early primary date. I am confused though as to whether you're mad at Florida for violating the rules, the rules themselves, or both. I stand by my opinion that the Florida delegates don't have anything to be proud of -- they are technically in the right, but violating the party rules aren't the wa to go about change, and there is a point where being right is not worth the farther-reaching negative consequences. I should have been more clear: the obscure and ridiculous principle I was referring to is that NH and Iowa are somehow entitled to their early primary date.

I am confused though as to whether you’re mad at Florida for violating the rules, the rules themselves, or both.

I stand by my opinion that the Florida delegates don’t have anything to be proud of — they are technically in the right, but violating the party rules aren’t the wa to go about change, and there is a point where being right is not worth the farther-reaching negative consequences.

]]> By: Elaine Vigneault http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/28/democrats-we-cant-go-a-week-without-proving-that-were-hopeless/#comment-1870 Elaine Vigneault Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:34:55 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/28/democrats-we-cant-go-a-week-without-proving-that-were-hopeless/#comment-1870 I agree with you that they should have gone to Florida. I hate it when candidates write off entire populations. But I wouldn't call violating primary rules and setting early voting dates an "obscure and ridiculous principle". As someone who has lived the majority of their life on the west, I can tell you for certain that federal politics are ruled by the east. I've always strongly felt that federal elections should be held at the same time for the entire country, even down to the minute. It's not a democracy when some of the voters votes count more than others. I agree with you that they should have gone to Florida. I hate it when candidates write off entire populations. But I wouldn’t call violating primary rules and setting early voting dates an “obscure and ridiculous principle”. As someone who has lived the majority of their life on the west, I can tell you for certain that federal politics are ruled by the east. I’ve always strongly felt that federal elections should be held at the same time for the entire country, even down to the minute. It’s not a democracy when some of the voters votes count more than others.

]]> By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/28/democrats-we-cant-go-a-week-without-proving-that-were-hopeless/#comment-1847 Cara Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:17:21 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/28/democrats-we-cant-go-a-week-without-proving-that-were-hopeless/#comment-1847 Yeah. So it's exactly what I thought. The candidates are choosing loyalty to the party bosses over loyalty to the people whose votes they need to win. Which is the most stupid fucking thing I've ever heard in my entire life. Yeah. So it’s exactly what I thought. The candidates are choosing loyalty to the party bosses over loyalty to the people whose votes they need to win.

Which is the most stupid fucking thing I’ve ever heard in my entire life.

]]> By: brandann http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/28/democrats-we-cant-go-a-week-without-proving-that-were-hopeless/#comment-1846 brandann Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:14:39 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/28/democrats-we-cant-go-a-week-without-proving-that-were-hopeless/#comment-1846 thanx, rich. that did clarify some things for me...and you are right, it did not make me feel any better at all. basically, as i see it, the dem party is giving the bird to voters in two very important states. the way primaries work has never made sense to me...politics are far too political. it would be nice to see someone actually care about voters. another reason i can't stand the electoral college... thanx, rich. that did clarify some things for me…and you are right, it did not make me feel any better at all.

basically, as i see it, the dem party is giving the bird to voters in two very important states. the way primaries work has never made sense to me…politics are far too political.

it would be nice to see someone actually care about voters. another reason i can’t stand the electoral college…

]]> By: rich http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/28/democrats-we-cant-go-a-week-without-proving-that-were-hopeless/#comment-1844 rich Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:24:26 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/28/democrats-we-cant-go-a-week-without-proving-that-were-hopeless/#comment-1844 <p>Brandann, perhaps this article will offer some clarification on the reasons behind the current primary system, though it probably won't make you feel any better about what's happening.</p> <a href="http://morningsentinel.mainetoday.com/view/columns/4389463.html" rel="nofollow">link</a> Brandann, perhaps this article will offer some clarification on the reasons behind the current primary system, though it probably won’t make you feel any better about what’s happening.

link

]]> By: brandann http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/28/democrats-we-cant-go-a-week-without-proving-that-were-hopeless/#comment-1843 brandann Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:13:55 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/28/democrats-we-cant-go-a-week-without-proving-that-were-hopeless/#comment-1843 well you called it when they pulled this shit in michigan. i guess a few ass hattish policies are more important that voters in swing states...fuck them dude...i no longer know who i am going to vote for... i don't understand something though...and this probably proves my naivity, how the fuck does some stupid tradition allow for these arbitrary rules? so someone wants their state to count, and that means that eveyone gets punished? who the hell decided this random 05FEB rule? and why is it apparently illegal to want a primary b/f smaller states? as i understand it, w/ a presidency as unpopular as this one, the dems should have a solid chance at a win...way to throw it to the fucking dogs... ugh! *hits head on desk for second time today* well you called it when they pulled this shit in michigan. i guess a few ass hattish policies are more important that voters in swing states…fuck them dude…i no longer know who i am going to vote for…

i don’t understand something though…and this probably proves my naivity, how the fuck does some stupid tradition allow for these arbitrary rules? so someone wants their state to count, and that means that eveyone gets punished? who the hell decided this random 05FEB rule? and why is it apparently illegal to want a primary b/f smaller states? as i understand it, w/ a presidency as unpopular as this one, the dems should have a solid chance at a win…way to throw it to the fucking dogs…
ugh!

*hits head on desk for second time today*

]]> By: Katie http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/28/democrats-we-cant-go-a-week-without-proving-that-were-hopeless/#comment-1841 Katie Sun, 28 Oct 2007 22:32:52 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/28/democrats-we-cant-go-a-week-without-proving-that-were-hopeless/#comment-1841 WOW! All I have to say is that politics have become so petty! Have you noticed that nothing in this article (and situation) mentions the views and policies of the campaigners? Only about their stubborn refusal to campaign in places they don't like... I mean HELLO! It is Florida. The place that has caused Democrats to lose the election twice in a row... If I were running for president, I would be kissing the ground they walk on! This situation is double ironic for me considering that I spent my entire life in Michigan and moved last year to Florida. Go figure. WOW! All I have to say is that politics have become so petty! Have you noticed that nothing in this article (and situation) mentions the views and policies of the campaigners? Only about their stubborn refusal to campaign in places they don’t like… I mean HELLO! It is Florida. The place that has caused Democrats to lose the election twice in a row… If I were running for president, I would be kissing the ground they walk on! This situation is double ironic for me considering that I spent my entire life in Michigan and moved last year to Florida. Go figure.

]]> By: rich http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/28/democrats-we-cant-go-a-week-without-proving-that-were-hopeless/#comment-1840 rich Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:12:40 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/28/democrats-we-cant-go-a-week-without-proving-that-were-hopeless/#comment-1840 As I understand it, the candidates are under pressure of losing all delegates from any violating state, i.e. Michigan and Florida, if they don't boycott. The candidates themselves are hamstrung on this particular matter by the national party. It's definitely a shitty time for a feud, but I could understand why a state would want to move its primary up; no one wants to cast a useless vote after the field has already been whittled down by New Hampshire, Iowa, S. Carolina, etc. (it's actually completely unfair to every other state and is upheld because of tradition alone). Some have proposed a solution where all the states put all candidates on the ballot and let the people decide all at once, but that could cause divisiveness when your frontrunner is nominated because they took 27% of the vote or something like that. I think a rotating primary system would be great; give all states a chance to cast meaningful votes. As I understand it, the candidates are under pressure of losing all delegates from any violating state, i.e. Michigan and Florida, if they don’t boycott. The candidates themselves are hamstrung on this particular matter by the national party. It’s definitely a shitty time for a feud, but I could understand why a state would want to move its primary up; no one wants to cast a useless vote after the field has already been whittled down by New Hampshire, Iowa, S. Carolina, etc. (it’s actually completely unfair to every other state and is upheld because of tradition alone).

Some have proposed a solution where all the states put all candidates on the ballot and let the people decide all at once, but that could cause divisiveness when your frontrunner is nominated because they took 27% of the vote or something like that.

I think a rotating primary system would be great; give all states a chance to cast meaningful votes.

]]> By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/28/democrats-we-cant-go-a-week-without-proving-that-were-hopeless/#comment-1836 Cara Sun, 28 Oct 2007 16:00:14 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/28/democrats-we-cant-go-a-week-without-proving-that-were-hopeless/#comment-1836 It's certainly a question worth asking, isn't it? It’s certainly a question worth asking, isn’t it?

]]> By: Rowan Crisp http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/28/democrats-we-cant-go-a-week-without-proving-that-were-hopeless/#comment-1835 Rowan Crisp Sun, 28 Oct 2007 15:32:39 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/28/democrats-we-cant-go-a-week-without-proving-that-were-hopeless/#comment-1835 I wonder a lot these days if they're not trying to throw the race - and everyone else to the wolves. I wonder a lot these days if they’re not trying to throw the race – and everyone else to the wolves.

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