Comments on: Dems Come Out Swinging http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/31/dems-come-out-swinging/ Sun, 05 Feb 2012 14:47:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/31/dems-come-out-swinging/#comment-1951 Cara Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:25:56 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/31/dems-come-out-swinging/#comment-1951 Well, Kucinich's plan is actually socialized medicine and doesn't rely on the existence of health insurance companies. I think that health insurance companies are a very large portion of the current problem, and I'm skeptical about how things are going to work if we keep them as a part of our national health care policy. But I also don't think that there is anywhere near the political will in America for truly socialized medicine, and at this point I think that a mediocre fix would be a great improvement on its own. I would much, much rather have a decent plan now than keep this currently deadly system indefinitely while we work for the best possible solution. Well, Kucinich’s plan is actually socialized medicine and doesn’t rely on the existence of health insurance companies. I think that health insurance companies are a very large portion of the current problem, and I’m skeptical about how things are going to work if we keep them as a part of our national health care policy.

But I also don’t think that there is anywhere near the political will in America for truly socialized medicine, and at this point I think that a mediocre fix would be a great improvement on its own. I would much, much rather have a decent plan now than keep this currently deadly system indefinitely while we work for the best possible solution.

]]> By: sabrina http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/31/dems-come-out-swinging/#comment-1949 sabrina Fri, 02 Nov 2007 03:42:19 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/31/dems-come-out-swinging/#comment-1949 I am a huge fan of John Edwards as well. It's totally unfair that his campaign keeps getting overshadowed by Obama and Hilary. First off, if Obama pandered to the religious right anymore he would have to switch to the Republican primary. And Hilary can't ever seem to take a stand on anything, plus, she totally copied Edwards health care plan. Also, why do you think Kucinich has the better health care plan? I found it poorly thought out and simplistic. And Kucinich definitely has alot of anti-choice rhetoric, elect him to president and we'll just end up with another nut who wants to promote abstinence. I just wish there was a way to get Edwards campaign out of the shadow of Hilary's. He says all the right things, he's personable, and he's got terrific ideas. I don't quite understand this love affair with Hilary, especially since the most recent poll says that half of Americans would not vote for her if she won the primary. I am a huge fan of John Edwards as well. It’s totally unfair that his campaign keeps getting overshadowed by Obama and Hilary. First off, if Obama pandered to the religious right anymore he would have to switch to the Republican primary. And Hilary can’t ever seem to take a stand on anything, plus, she totally copied Edwards health care plan. Also, why do you think Kucinich has the better health care plan? I found it poorly thought out and simplistic. And Kucinich definitely has alot of anti-choice rhetoric, elect him to president and we’ll just end up with another nut who wants to promote abstinence.

I just wish there was a way to get Edwards campaign out of the shadow of Hilary’s. He says all the right things, he’s personable, and he’s got terrific ideas. I don’t quite understand this love affair with Hilary, especially since the most recent poll says that half of Americans would not vote for her if she won the primary.

]]> By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/31/dems-come-out-swinging/#comment-1923 Cara Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:43:34 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/31/dems-come-out-swinging/#comment-1923 Yeah, and that's the problem. The question wasn't about the documents referenced earlier in the article, that aren't being released because it take so long to comb through them. As I understand it, the question is about documents that President Clinton said should not be released before 2008 regarding Hillary Clinton's work in the oval office, and whether she would ask him to lift that order since those documents pertain to the credentials that she's claiming. Since so much of her work there was behind the scenes, we don't really know what she did there except to take her word for it. Of course there should be limits to what's released, and that's perfectly fair. But the order that Bill put in looks kind of sketchy, whether it is or not. Yeah, and that’s the problem. The question wasn’t about the documents referenced earlier in the article, that aren’t being released because it take so long to comb through them. As I understand it, the question is about documents that President Clinton said should not be released before 2008 regarding Hillary Clinton’s work in the oval office, and whether she would ask him to lift that order since those documents pertain to the credentials that she’s claiming. Since so much of her work there was behind the scenes, we don’t really know what she did there except to take her word for it.

Of course there should be limits to what’s released, and that’s perfectly fair. But the order that Bill put in looks kind of sketchy, whether it is or not.

]]> By: rich http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/31/dems-come-out-swinging/#comment-1922 rich Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:35:22 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/31/dems-come-out-swinging/#comment-1922 http://www.libraryjournal.com/info/CA6472354.html I guess making the documents public are of greater issue than I realized (second article down). I didn't realize Bush had passed a law barring release of documents indefinitely at the discretion of the President. http://www.libraryjournal.com/info/CA6472354.html

I guess making the documents public are of greater issue than I realized (second article down). I didn’t realize Bush had passed a law barring release of documents indefinitely at the discretion of the President.

]]> By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/31/dems-come-out-swinging/#comment-1920 Cara Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:13:18 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/31/dems-come-out-swinging/#comment-1920 I would think that it's ridiculous if she wasn't touting her time as first lady as part of her "experience." Like you just pointed out, I don't necessarily think that she has to do that, but since she is . . . no, it's not at all the same as what the current administration is doing, but it's certainly bad for the reputation she already has for being "secretive," and it does look bad to tout something that you can't back up. I don't have a really strong opinion on it either way at the moment, but it just doesn't strike me as very smart. I would think that it’s ridiculous if she wasn’t touting her time as first lady as part of her “experience.” Like you just pointed out, I don’t necessarily think that she has to do that, but since she is . . . no, it’s not at all the same as what the current administration is doing, but it’s certainly bad for the reputation she already has for being “secretive,” and it does look bad to tout something that you can’t back up. I don’t have a really strong opinion on it either way at the moment, but it just doesn’t strike me as very smart.

]]> By: rich http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/31/dems-come-out-swinging/#comment-1919 rich Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:06:22 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/31/dems-come-out-swinging/#comment-1919 Do you think Hillary's personal conversations with Bill should be made public from the archives? Obama took a chance to rip Hillary on it, likening it to the secrecy of the current admin. (that's quite a statement). Private conversations among other politicians and their wives are not made public; to say that it's necessary to establish her experience is somewhat ridiculous, considering her advocacy work with children and healthcare, as well has her experience as Senator. Just my opinion. Senators are always at a disadvantage when asked to provide executive experience anyway. Only 15 have been elected to President in our history. Do you think Hillary’s personal conversations with Bill should be made public from the archives? Obama took a chance to rip Hillary on it, likening it to the secrecy of the current admin. (that’s quite a statement). Private conversations among other politicians and their wives are not made public; to say that it’s necessary to establish her experience is somewhat ridiculous, considering her advocacy work with children and healthcare, as well has her experience as Senator. Just my opinion. Senators are always at a disadvantage when asked to provide executive experience anyway. Only 15 have been elected to President in our history.

]]> By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/31/dems-come-out-swinging/#comment-1918 Cara Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:44:08 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/31/dems-come-out-swinging/#comment-1918 <p>To be fair to Edwards, the man does avidly support raising his own taxes every time he's handed a microphone. And I have also heard him talk about the need to increase taxes on hedge funds on more than one occasion. That doesn't make the people who run and profit from hedge funds not bastards, but still. </p> <p>On the UFO question, I completely agree. Not only does UFO not mean aliens, what was the point of the question again? Yeah, whether or not our next president has seen a fucking UFO is our biggest problem as a nation when we currently have a president who is wiping his ass with the Constitution. Idiots.</p> To be fair to Edwards, the man does avidly support raising his own taxes every time he’s handed a microphone. And I have also heard him talk about the need to increase taxes on hedge funds on more than one occasion. That doesn’t make the people who run and profit from hedge funds not bastards, but still.

On the UFO question, I completely agree. Not only does UFO not mean aliens, what was the point of the question again? Yeah, whether or not our next president has seen a fucking UFO is our biggest problem as a nation when we currently have a president who is wiping his ass with the Constitution. Idiots.

]]> By: rich http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/31/dems-come-out-swinging/#comment-1917 rich Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:20:55 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/31/dems-come-out-swinging/#comment-1917 And I'm a Kucinich fan, but he got cornered and burned on the UFO knock. UFO means unidentified object, not necessarily an alien people! And I’m a Kucinich fan, but he got cornered and burned on the UFO knock. UFO means unidentified object, not necessarily an alien people!

]]> By: rich http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/31/dems-come-out-swinging/#comment-1916 rich Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:17:49 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/31/dems-come-out-swinging/#comment-1916 This was the most enjoyable debate. Like usual Obama is the master of deflecting questions and mentioned specific policy. "We live in culture of fear...we need to stop this partisan bickering...blah blah." HOW? Never any specifics, just prose. Biden did have the money line with the "Noun, verb, 9/11" against Giuliani. I didn't have huge problem with Richardson. I think shooting for a cabinet or admin. position may be his goal, but also I know a lot of people who can't stand in house attacks, and ripping Hillary 6 million times was getting obnoxious. At a certain point it becomes unproductive, so why not ramp up your U.N. ambassador creds. through the ceiling? I like how Edwards doesn't take money from PACs or lobbyists but works for a hedge fund. You'll notice how quickly he dodges the question of taxation and regulation on hedge funds and private equity funds, "it was shot down...now let me talk about..." PEFs like Blackstone are laughing all the way to their billion dollar banks. And by the way, none of the candidates ever says anything substantial about global warming and energy. Ever. Obama said he talked to car manufacturers about fuel efficiency, so what? We need legislation pushed through by Congress that forces regulation on emissions from vehicles. Coal fire plants need sequestration technology enforced by congress, maybe through emissions trading, but pushed through by a Congress favorable to such bills. The topic gets glossed over constantly with the same, "we need to start thinking about energy" with no concrete responses. Some look to nuclear as the source of salvation...how is that better for the environment? So the waste gets buried instead of sent into the air? Leaks into our underground fresh water channels? I truly wish more time was spent on this topic. This was the most enjoyable debate. Like usual Obama is the master of deflecting questions and mentioned specific policy. “We live in culture of fear…we need to stop this partisan bickering…blah blah.” HOW? Never any specifics, just prose. Biden did have the money line with the “Noun, verb, 9/11″ against Giuliani.
I didn’t have huge problem with Richardson. I think shooting for a cabinet or admin. position may be his goal, but also I know a lot of people who can’t stand in house attacks, and ripping Hillary 6 million times was getting obnoxious. At a certain point it becomes unproductive, so why not ramp up your U.N. ambassador creds. through the ceiling?
I like how Edwards doesn’t take money from PACs or lobbyists but works for a hedge fund. You’ll notice how quickly he dodges the question of taxation and regulation on hedge funds and private equity funds, “it was shot down…now let me talk about…” PEFs like Blackstone are laughing all the way to their billion dollar banks.
And by the way, none of the candidates ever says anything substantial about global warming and energy. Ever. Obama said he talked to car manufacturers about fuel efficiency, so what? We need legislation pushed through by Congress that forces regulation on emissions from vehicles. Coal fire plants need sequestration technology enforced by congress, maybe through emissions trading, but pushed through by a Congress favorable to such bills. The topic gets glossed over constantly with the same, “we need to start thinking about energy” with no concrete responses. Some look to nuclear as the source of salvation…how is that better for the environment? So the waste gets buried instead of sent into the air? Leaks into our underground fresh water channels? I truly wish more time was spent on this topic.

]]> By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/31/dems-come-out-swinging/#comment-1915 Cara Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:42:43 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/10/31/dems-come-out-swinging/#comment-1915 Yes, that was in fact the highlight of the evening :) Yes, that was in fact the highlight of the evening :)

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