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	<title>Comments on: The perfect gift for that boyfriend who loves to see you suffer</title>
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		<title>By: Angiportus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angiportus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 00:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadism, based on hate/fear of people one doesn&#039;t (want to) understand, is what it sounds like.  A few men want to treat women like that because some girl wouldn&#039;t go out with them in high school or something. So they come up with fantasies like that and then some sicko doctor finds a way to profit off it while cancer is still not defeated. Someone commenting on another blog wondered if stuff like this is the ground from which other and worse forms of mutilation could grow. I wonder that myself, and offer it as an answer to those who smugly say, &quot;well, look at the people over in (you name it), they *have* to see blood to satisfy their honor&quot;, as if to excuse the voluntary-ness of such things here.  It gives honor a bad name!
If that is mainstream porn, it goes back a ways.  A book that really sickened me when I was young was a reprint of a porn mag from the 1870&#039;s.  A nice pastoral scene with a man and woman suddenly turned into a bloodbath because she hadn&#039;t done it before, and everyone just took this for granted then--and apparently now, if there&#039;s surgery to make that sort of thing happen.  I can&#039;t believe it, I still can&#039;t.  A procedure to prevent pain and so on would probably be simpler to devise--maybe even done at home. But remaking the culture so crap like this can&#039;t take root, that is going to be the big load to move. 
 [departs to wash out mind]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadism, based on hate/fear of people one doesn&#8217;t (want to) understand, is what it sounds like.  A few men want to treat women like that because some girl wouldn&#8217;t go out with them in high school or something. So they come up with fantasies like that and then some sicko doctor finds a way to profit off it while cancer is still not defeated. Someone commenting on another blog wondered if stuff like this is the ground from which other and worse forms of mutilation could grow. I wonder that myself, and offer it as an answer to those who smugly say, &#8220;well, look at the people over in (you name it), they *have* to see blood to satisfy their honor&#8221;, as if to excuse the voluntary-ness of such things here.  It gives honor a bad name!<br />
If that is mainstream porn, it goes back a ways.  A book that really sickened me when I was young was a reprint of a porn mag from the 1870&#8242;s.  A nice pastoral scene with a man and woman suddenly turned into a bloodbath because she hadn&#8217;t done it before, and everyone just took this for granted then&#8211;and apparently now, if there&#8217;s surgery to make that sort of thing happen.  I can&#8217;t believe it, I still can&#8217;t.  A procedure to prevent pain and so on would probably be simpler to devise&#8211;maybe even done at home. But remaking the culture so crap like this can&#8217;t take root, that is going to be the big load to move.<br />
 [departs to wash out mind]</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny Dreadful</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny Dreadful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 00:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone over at Feministe pointed out what a weird surgery this is by reminding us that the hymen is basically unnecessary. Whoever the commenter was likened it to getting your wisdom teeth re-installed. I thought it was a pretty apt comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone over at Feministe pointed out what a weird surgery this is by reminding us that the hymen is basically unnecessary. Whoever the commenter was likened it to getting your wisdom teeth re-installed. I thought it was a pretty apt comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the agent behind mainstream porn is more like it.  I don&#039;t think that porn dictates people&#039;s sexual tastes, I think that it reflects them and then just makes them more acceptable.  

In any case, I think that to blame it entirely on porn would be an over-simplification.  It&#039;s much deeper and much more complex than that.  And I actually think that this type of behavior has more to do with seeing women as property than with seeing women as sexually passive.  But yes, porn certainly plays a role.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the agent behind mainstream porn is more like it.  I don&#8217;t think that porn dictates people&#8217;s sexual tastes, I think that it reflects them and then just makes them more acceptable.  </p>
<p>In any case, I think that to blame it entirely on porn would be an over-simplification.  It&#8217;s much deeper and much more complex than that.  And I actually think that this type of behavior has more to do with seeing women as property than with seeing women as sexually passive.  But yes, porn certainly plays a role.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Tracy9</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Tracy9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s our rape culture that tells us women feeling pain during sex isn’t something to avoid, it’s something to get off on.&quot;

This is a direct consequence of mainstream porn. Or it&#039;s the agent behind mainstream porn. Either way, porn only perpetuatues it, validates it and makes it acceptable. And that&#039;s why I am against it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s our rape culture that tells us women feeling pain during sex isn’t something to avoid, it’s something to get off on.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a direct consequence of mainstream porn. Or it&#8217;s the agent behind mainstream porn. Either way, porn only perpetuatues it, validates it and makes it acceptable. And that&#8217;s why I am against it.</p>
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		<title>By: rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In a time long past, a bride’s hymen being intact was the only way of determining her chastity. However, religious people and feminists tend to refer to the procedure as a form of deception.&quot;

When was the last time feminists got bundled in with religious zealots?

I had no idea such a surgery even existed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In a time long past, a bride’s hymen being intact was the only way of determining her chastity. However, religious people and feminists tend to refer to the procedure as a form of deception.&#8221;</p>
<p>When was the last time feminists got bundled in with religious zealots?</p>
<p>I had no idea such a surgery even existed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*shudder*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*shudder*</p>
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