Comments on: Title IX: Separate But Not Equal? http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/05/title-ix-separate-but-not-equal/ Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:51:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Jackie http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/05/title-ix-separate-but-not-equal/#comment-4562 Jackie Thu, 01 May 2008 13:31:49 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/05/title-ix-separate-but-not-equal/#comment-4562 just wanted to say that i agree with you and have recently been slapped in the face with gender inequality in Australian rugby, specifically local community rugby. The policy states that my 12 year old daughter can no longer play mixed gender rugby, because both genders are now starting to develop differently and boys are becoming physically stronger from the age of 12, she can't play anymore rugby untill she is 18 and joins the womens comps. According to the equal rights board, obviously in sport and some occupations it makes sense to discriminate against someone because of their gender due to physical differences, and our minister for sport and recreation told me the same thing...none of them can supply me with facts that this is true though....the funny thing is that on the score board at the club it states in big red letters "all welcome" what a joke. just wanted to say that i agree with you and have recently been slapped in the face with gender inequality in Australian rugby, specifically local community rugby. The policy states that my 12 year old daughter can no longer play mixed gender rugby, because both genders are now starting to develop differently and boys are becoming physically stronger from the age of 12, she can’t play anymore rugby untill she is 18 and joins the womens comps. According to the equal rights board, obviously in sport and some occupations it makes sense to discriminate against someone because of their gender due to physical differences, and our minister for sport and recreation told me the same thing…none of them can supply me with facts that this is true though….the funny thing is that on the score board at the club it states in big red letters “all welcome” what a joke.

]]> By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/05/title-ix-separate-but-not-equal/#comment-2014 Cara Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:06:19 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/05/title-ix-separate-but-not-equal/#comment-2014 Hmm . . . that doesn't sound like anything of mine, Derek. My spam filter wouldn't delete your comments, it would only throw them into the moderation queue and there's nothing there. Sometimes wordpress will give me an error on my own blog that says "we don't allow spam here," but I can't explain it and it usually clears itself up within the hour. If that's not what you're getting, I wish that I knew what the problem was but I don't! If anyone else has an explanation or fix, though, please let me know. And is anyone else having problems? Hmm . . . that doesn’t sound like anything of mine, Derek. My spam filter wouldn’t delete your comments, it would only throw them into the moderation queue and there’s nothing there. Sometimes wordpress will give me an error on my own blog that says “we don’t allow spam here,” but I can’t explain it and it usually clears itself up within the hour. If that’s not what you’re getting, I wish that I knew what the problem was but I don’t! If anyone else has an explanation or fix, though, please let me know. And is anyone else having problems?

]]> By: derek http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/05/title-ix-separate-but-not-equal/#comment-2010 derek Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:22:36 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/05/title-ix-separate-but-not-equal/#comment-2010 wellll actually veronica the marathon gap still exists and is still very real. In the 90s, it actually increased, leading to speculation that women would never be as fast as men in the marathon. Then along came Radcliffe and she and a few other women shaved five minutes off the women's record this decade. I think it is still an open question whether women will ever be as fast as men in the marathon. good article on this subject - http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9805E3DA163CF936A15751C0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all ps cara your anti-spam thing keeps eating my comments. i HAVE javascript enabled, but it says i don't and deletes them. wellll actually veronica the marathon gap still exists and is still very real. In the 90s, it actually increased, leading to speculation that women would never be as fast as men in the marathon. Then along came Radcliffe and she and a few other women shaved five minutes off the women’s record this decade. I think it is still an open question whether women will ever be as fast as men in the marathon.

good article on this subject – http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9805E3DA163CF936A15751C0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

ps cara your anti-spam thing keeps eating my comments. i HAVE javascript enabled, but it says i don’t and deletes them.

]]> By: Veronica http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/05/title-ix-separate-but-not-equal/#comment-2006 Veronica Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:21:58 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/05/title-ix-separate-but-not-equal/#comment-2006 I agree with derek...we're getting there and fast, but not quite at the point where I would advocate for gender-less sports. And I'm a HUGE fan of sports and actually get pissy when feminists say that sports isn't our issue. There are out there. Anywho, Michelle Wei is another good example of a woman who can bring it to the next level - the men's level. (OMG, did I just cite golf as a real sport?) Women closed the marathon gap in such a short amount of time! And many top NCAA women's basketball teams use men during practices. It's controversial, but it does happen. We'll get there...quicker than we realize, but not as quick for some. I agree with derek…we’re getting there and fast, but not quite at the point where I would advocate for gender-less sports. And I’m a HUGE fan of sports and actually get pissy when feminists say that sports isn’t our issue. There are out there.

Anywho, Michelle Wei is another good example of a woman who can bring it to the next level – the men’s level. (OMG, did I just cite golf as a real sport?) Women closed the marathon gap in such a short amount of time!

And many top NCAA women’s basketball teams use men during practices. It’s controversial, but it does happen.

We’ll get there…quicker than we realize, but not as quick for some.

]]> By: derek http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/05/title-ix-separate-but-not-equal/#comment-2004 derek Tue, 06 Nov 2007 05:10:25 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/05/title-ix-separate-but-not-equal/#comment-2004 I think maybe in 50 years or so, women might play on an equal footing with men in certain sports where strength and size aren't really factors. But we're not there yet, and requiring women to compete in against men would just hurt female athletes, IMHO. Look at Annika Sorenstam - one of the best women golfers in the world couldn't make the cut in the PGA. Or Paula Radcliffe - perhaps the world's best female long-distance runner, who won the NYC marathon on Sunday in a time of 2:23:09. In a race without gender divisions she'd have come in 17th - still very respectable, but not worthy of recognition, and she wouldn't have gotten any prize money. As it was she got $130,000 and a Toyota Prius. I think maybe in 50 years or so, women might play on an equal footing with men in certain sports where strength and size aren’t really factors. But we’re not there yet, and requiring women to compete in against men would just hurt female athletes, IMHO.

Look at Annika Sorenstam – one of the best women golfers in the world couldn’t make the cut in the PGA. Or Paula Radcliffe – perhaps the world’s best female long-distance runner, who won the NYC marathon on Sunday in a time of 2:23:09. In a race without gender divisions she’d have come in 17th – still very respectable, but not worthy of recognition, and she wouldn’t have gotten any prize money. As it was she got $130,000 and a Toyota Prius.

]]> By: derek http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/05/title-ix-separate-but-not-equal/#comment-2003 derek Tue, 06 Nov 2007 05:05:54 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/05/title-ix-separate-but-not-equal/#comment-2003 very few girls actually play, but some do. Most play a separate girls-only Little League softball league. (trying to leave this comment again...) very few girls actually play, but some do. Most play a separate girls-only Little League softball league.

(trying to leave this comment again…)

]]> By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/05/title-ix-separate-but-not-equal/#comment-2001 Cara Tue, 06 Nov 2007 02:47:07 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/05/title-ix-separate-but-not-equal/#comment-2001 Little League is coed? So does that mean that very few girls actually play, or that all of the kids baseball teams I see are in a league other than Little League? Little League is coed? So does that mean that very few girls actually play, or that all of the kids baseball teams I see are in a league other than Little League?

]]> By: derek http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/05/title-ix-separate-but-not-equal/#comment-2000 derek Tue, 06 Nov 2007 02:17:21 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/05/title-ix-separate-but-not-equal/#comment-2000 actually, little league has been coed for more than 30 years, and 12 girls have played in the Little League World Series. Two girls pitched against each other in a friendship game between Venezeula and Kentucky in 2004. http://www.momsteam.com/alpha/news/30th_anniversary.shtml Even in Division III, if sports were not divided by gender, you'd see only one or two women on teams, I think. I ran cross-country in college where the results are completely objective. (time, versus a coach's opinion). An All-American woman is about equal to a very good guy. actually, little league has been coed for more than 30 years, and 12 girls have played in the Little League World Series. Two girls pitched against each other in a friendship game between Venezeula and Kentucky in 2004.

http://www.momsteam.com/alpha/news/30th_anniversary.shtml

Even in Division III, if sports were not divided by gender, you’d see only one or two women on teams, I think. I ran cross-country in college where the results are completely objective. (time, versus a coach’s opinion). An All-American woman is about equal to a very good guy.

]]> By: Heather http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/05/title-ix-separate-but-not-equal/#comment-1999 Heather Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:57:34 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/05/title-ix-separate-but-not-equal/#comment-1999 Actually, this book does sound really interesting. I never played sports when I was little, but I started rowing, and I love it. What's great is that our team practices co-ed, but I know it's not like that every where. I have seen women's boats (at a collegiate level) beat men's boats. It's impressive. I've also always loved to watch footbal, and it's kind of disappointing that such a great sport has virtually no woman's league. The NFL is finally reconizing that women do like footbal, but PINK jerseys? Seriously? Actually, this book does sound really interesting. I never played sports when I was little, but I started rowing, and I love it. What’s great is that our team practices co-ed, but I know it’s not like that every where. I have seen women’s boats (at a collegiate level) beat men’s boats. It’s impressive. I’ve also always loved to watch footbal, and it’s kind of disappointing that such a great sport has virtually no woman’s league. The NFL is finally reconizing that women do like footbal, but PINK jerseys? Seriously?

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