Comments on: In which I start to give up hope http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/19/in-which-i-start-to-give-up-hope/ Sun, 05 Feb 2012 14:47:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: mom http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/19/in-which-i-start-to-give-up-hope/#comment-2314 mom Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:38:55 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/19/in-which-i-start-to-give-up-hope/#comment-2314 Sounds like you are hated far and wide, Cara - for all the right reasons. ;-) Thanks for the work that you do here. Sounds like you are hated far and wide, Cara – for all the right reasons. ;-)

Thanks for the work that you do here.

]]> By: rich http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/19/in-which-i-start-to-give-up-hope/#comment-2304 rich Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:59:45 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/19/in-which-i-start-to-give-up-hope/#comment-2304 I agree with mom; I'm not a fan of coming onto your site and reading things like this, not because of your writing, but because of the material you have to cover. This is about as a terrible an incident as it gets. "Prosecutors have not yet decided whether or not to try them as adults." How the can you try 2nd and 3rd graders as adults??? Obviously there's no justification for the rape, but incarceration for kids? I really hope these kids' minds are not beyond psychiatric rehabilitation, though as you say, socio/psychopathic behavior isn't exactly like getting over the flu. "The only thing I can imagine to be more unrealistic and utterly unbelievable than 8 and 9-year-old boys raping someone is that an 11-year-old girl would make up such a story and have anyone believe her unless she was highly credible and there was some sort of physical evidence." That's exactly what I thought; I truly hope the incident was somehow misconstrued and rape didn't actually occur, but as you said, making up the story and having the D.A.'s office move on it is even less likely. I agree with mom; I’m not a fan of coming onto your site and reading things like this, not because of your writing, but because of the material you have to cover. This is about as a terrible an incident as it gets.

“Prosecutors have not yet decided whether or not to try them as adults.” How the can you try 2nd and 3rd graders as adults??? Obviously there’s no justification for the rape, but incarceration for kids? I really hope these kids’ minds are not beyond psychiatric rehabilitation, though as you say, socio/psychopathic behavior isn’t exactly like getting over the flu.

“The only thing I can imagine to be more unrealistic and utterly unbelievable than 8 and 9-year-old boys raping someone is that an 11-year-old girl would make up such a story and have anyone believe her unless she was highly credible and there was some sort of physical evidence.”

That’s exactly what I thought; I truly hope the incident was somehow misconstrued and rape didn’t actually occur, but as you said, making up the story and having the D.A.’s office move on it is even less likely.

]]> By: Rachel http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/19/in-which-i-start-to-give-up-hope/#comment-2303 Rachel Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:11:40 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/19/in-which-i-start-to-give-up-hope/#comment-2303 I sort of hate your blog in exactly the way you define it. It makes me want to cry nearly every day. It's not a serious intervention in masculinity that we need. It's a serious intervention in humanity. I think a huge part of the problem of over-sexualized children / teenagers comes from the too-clear distinctions we make in gender and socially acceptable gendered behaviors. When we start teaching our children how to behave like humans, not how to be "manly" or "masculine" or "girly" or "feminine," we might see some changes. Of course, that's an idealistic viewpoint, and oversimplification of the problem. But I have to wonder why compassion and respect are such difficult concepts to teach? Rachel I sort of hate your blog in exactly the way you define it. It makes me want to cry nearly every day.

It’s not a serious intervention in masculinity that we need. It’s a serious intervention in humanity. I think a huge part of the problem of over-sexualized children / teenagers comes from the too-clear distinctions we make in gender and socially acceptable gendered behaviors. When we start teaching our children how to behave like humans, not how to be “manly” or “masculine” or “girly” or “feminine,” we might see some changes.

Of course, that’s an idealistic viewpoint, and oversimplification of the problem. But I have to wonder why compassion and respect are such difficult concepts to teach?

Rachel

]]> By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/19/in-which-i-start-to-give-up-hope/#comment-2302 Cara Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:47:53 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/19/in-which-i-start-to-give-up-hope/#comment-2302 I'm hoping that you mean "sort of hate" in a "this news is so terrible I wish I'd never read it" sort of way. In which case, I sort of hate most of the people who send me links (but please, keep them coming!). I’m hoping that you mean “sort of hate” in a “this news is so terrible I wish I’d never read it” sort of way. In which case, I sort of hate most of the people who send me links (but please, keep them coming!).

]]> By: mom http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/19/in-which-i-start-to-give-up-hope/#comment-2301 mom Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:43:52 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/19/in-which-i-start-to-give-up-hope/#comment-2301 Ah. I sort of hate your blog, but that's okay I guess. In fact, it's the point. We need a serious intervention in masculinity if we are ever to really help reduce violence against women. Simply telling girls not to get raped doesn't work. We know this, but when you see a male culture that i so toxic that by 8 and 9 years old there is a clear message that phyiscal violence and sexual conquest are desirable traits. This is tweening, perhaps, the logical outcome of KAGOY. Ah. I sort of hate your blog, but that’s okay I guess. In fact, it’s the point. We need a serious intervention in masculinity if we are ever to really help reduce violence against women. Simply telling girls not to get raped doesn’t work. We know this, but when you see a male culture that i so toxic that by 8 and 9 years old there is a clear message that phyiscal violence and sexual conquest are desirable traits. This is tweening, perhaps, the logical outcome of KAGOY.

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