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		<title>By: Lizzie</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/27/this-promotes-rape/#comment-15811</link>
		<dc:creator>Lizzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt - well done on being willing to examine your mindset. That in itself makes you a good guy.

I found the stats hard to grasp and links hard to make too, and I&#039;m a woman. One thing that might help your &quot;remapping&quot; is, for a few weeks, every time you are in a room with 4 or more women (or more than 10 men), try to say to yourself, &quot;Someone in this room has been raped&quot;. If 2 women (or 5 men), &quot;There is a 50% chance someone in this room has been raped.&quot; If you do this for just a while the ability to make the link from rape joke to rape apologism in a more instinctive way will come. Only when I did this did I quite get my head around how ubiquitous and real this obscenity is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt &#8211; well done on being willing to examine your mindset. That in itself makes you a good guy.</p>
<p>I found the stats hard to grasp and links hard to make too, and I&#8217;m a woman. One thing that might help your &#8220;remapping&#8221; is, for a few weeks, every time you are in a room with 4 or more women (or more than 10 men), try to say to yourself, &#8220;Someone in this room has been raped&#8221;. If 2 women (or 5 men), &#8220;There is a 50% chance someone in this room has been raped.&#8221; If you do this for just a while the ability to make the link from rape joke to rape apologism in a more instinctive way will come. Only when I did this did I quite get my head around how ubiquitous and real this obscenity is.</p>
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		<title>By: Thoughts on the Rapelay Video Game : The Curvature</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/27/this-promotes-rape/#comment-10388</link>
		<dc:creator>Thoughts on the Rapelay Video Game : The Curvature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this kind of media outrage, or any outrage at all from anyone other than feminists, at old American Lusty Linda.  I really do fail to see why one is so much worse than the other.  And I also really do see the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this kind of media outrage, or any outrage at all from anyone other than feminists, at old American Lusty Linda.  I really do fail to see why one is so much worse than the other.  And I also really do see the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/27/this-promotes-rape/#comment-5169</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 13:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mistake, I meant to say attach instead of attack*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mistake, I meant to say attach instead of attack*</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/27/this-promotes-rape/#comment-5168</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 13:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great topic Cara, I agree with you!

The pen holder is a very worrying example of how rape is becoming desensitised in modern society, with the dialogue, &quot;Help! Help!&quot; and, &quot;Get out you dirty old man!&quot;. It really worries me that this was able to sell.

However, I must disagree with your analysis of the sharpener. Crude, yes, perhaps a novelty joke for some, but the nails really don&#039;t show rape at all. I understand we&#039;re you are arguing from but the leap between their and reality is a great one. The &#039;nails&#039; are simply a method of construction, used to hold the figure in place. The didn&#039;t use glue instead (costs more) or paint it (costs more, and frankly, doesn&#039;t need it to look professionally made).

By making the connection between the &#039;nails&#039; and real life rape, one must also make the connection that if someone did take this seriously, and that it promoted rape, the culprit would also saw off the victims head and attack a crank to it no doubt. Also, I&#039;m quite sure nailing someone to the ground isn&#039;t exactly feasible to an insecure rapist (though the connection symbolically is there).

Apart from that little bit I congratulate you on your efforts to stop rape. It is completely and utterly awful, I wish you the best.

-Dylan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great topic Cara, I agree with you!</p>
<p>The pen holder is a very worrying example of how rape is becoming desensitised in modern society, with the dialogue, &#8220;Help! Help!&#8221; and, &#8220;Get out you dirty old man!&#8221;. It really worries me that this was able to sell.</p>
<p>However, I must disagree with your analysis of the sharpener. Crude, yes, perhaps a novelty joke for some, but the nails really don&#8217;t show rape at all. I understand we&#8217;re you are arguing from but the leap between their and reality is a great one. The &#8216;nails&#8217; are simply a method of construction, used to hold the figure in place. The didn&#8217;t use glue instead (costs more) or paint it (costs more, and frankly, doesn&#8217;t need it to look professionally made).</p>
<p>By making the connection between the &#8216;nails&#8217; and real life rape, one must also make the connection that if someone did take this seriously, and that it promoted rape, the culprit would also saw off the victims head and attack a crank to it no doubt. Also, I&#8217;m quite sure nailing someone to the ground isn&#8217;t exactly feasible to an insecure rapist (though the connection symbolically is there).</p>
<p>Apart from that little bit I congratulate you on your efforts to stop rape. It is completely and utterly awful, I wish you the best.</p>
<p>-Dylan</p>
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		<title>By: Berries</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/27/this-promotes-rape/#comment-5166</link>
		<dc:creator>Berries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 11:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those are grotesque. Truly awful.
What kind of human designs such terrible, misogynistic things?

The voice clips are particularly terrible. Awful people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are grotesque. Truly awful.<br />
What kind of human designs such terrible, misogynistic things?</p>
<p>The voice clips are particularly terrible. Awful people.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael T</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/27/this-promotes-rape/#comment-3129</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started thinking about this issue when one of my friends, Hops, quoted the Kate Harding piece on her blog in reference to a mysogynist we know.  It opened up the subject for discussion among a few of our friends, and the consensus was, yes, we should have denounced the guy.

What about inanimate objects?  

When it comes to the pen holder, I&#039;m unequivocally against it.  It&#039;s clearly supporting rape.  The vocalization of &quot;Help!&quot; when you use it as its function demands--to stick your pen in the vagina--is clear as day.

The only pleasure I could get out of such an object would be the novelty of the taboo, which would quickly pale next to the evil of the repetitious message that rape is acceptable.

I like Cara&#039;s stance that you don&#039;t just go around shoving &quot;Hello, nice to meet you, I think, but I won&#039;t know until you tell me whether you&#039;re sexist&quot; into people&#039;s faces.  And I personally agreed with Matt&#039;s stance that, with the sharpener, the naked form catches the eye more than the headlessness or the screws.  It&#039;s clear with the pen holder (&quot;Help!&quot;) that the unwanted nature of the act would be one of the first things to get your attention.  I didn&#039;t have such a strong aversion to the sharpener, though it is nasty once I think about it for a bit.  So if I saw the pencil sharpener in someone&#039;s house, I&#039;d assume they were pretty crude, and I&#039;d probably ask them about it.  And I&#039;d hope they&#039;d say, &quot;My dad got that for me from Cuba.  I laughed the first time I saw it, but after that it just seemed kind of weird, so I put it in that drawer.  I only keep it around so I don&#039;t have to gum up my electric sharpener when I&#039;m sharpening my grease pens.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started thinking about this issue when one of my friends, Hops, quoted the Kate Harding piece on her blog in reference to a mysogynist we know.  It opened up the subject for discussion among a few of our friends, and the consensus was, yes, we should have denounced the guy.</p>
<p>What about inanimate objects?  </p>
<p>When it comes to the pen holder, I&#8217;m unequivocally against it.  It&#8217;s clearly supporting rape.  The vocalization of &#8220;Help!&#8221; when you use it as its function demands&#8211;to stick your pen in the vagina&#8211;is clear as day.</p>
<p>The only pleasure I could get out of such an object would be the novelty of the taboo, which would quickly pale next to the evil of the repetitious message that rape is acceptable.</p>
<p>I like Cara&#8217;s stance that you don&#8217;t just go around shoving &#8220;Hello, nice to meet you, I think, but I won&#8217;t know until you tell me whether you&#8217;re sexist&#8221; into people&#8217;s faces.  And I personally agreed with Matt&#8217;s stance that, with the sharpener, the naked form catches the eye more than the headlessness or the screws.  It&#8217;s clear with the pen holder (&#8220;Help!&#8221;) that the unwanted nature of the act would be one of the first things to get your attention.  I didn&#8217;t have such a strong aversion to the sharpener, though it is nasty once I think about it for a bit.  So if I saw the pencil sharpener in someone&#8217;s house, I&#8217;d assume they were pretty crude, and I&#8217;d probably ask them about it.  And I&#8217;d hope they&#8217;d say, &#8220;My dad got that for me from Cuba.  I laughed the first time I saw it, but after that it just seemed kind of weird, so I put it in that drawer.  I only keep it around so I don&#8217;t have to gum up my electric sharpener when I&#8217;m sharpening my grease pens.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: thinking girl</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/27/this-promotes-rape/#comment-2714</link>
		<dc:creator>thinking girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>late coming, but great post. 

had a discussion not too long ago with a couple of guys I know about rape. I cited the common stat that 1 in 4 women have been raped. they didn&#039;t believe me. they refused to believe that  &lt;i&gt;that many men are rapists&lt;/i&gt;. they insisted that MOST MEN AREN&#039;T RAPISTS. I said there was no way I would ever support that statement -- that a small percentage of the population of men in the world are raping all the women who have been raped is highly unlikely. 

anyway, just wanted to toss that out there. We DO ABSOLUTELY have a PERSONAL responsibilty to do what we can to denounce violence against women and not participate in the culture of violence against women that is our society. non-participation is not enough.

by the way, I likely won&#039;t follow this comment up... I&#039;m a drive-by commenter these days, but I&#039;m happy to have found this site. 

best, TG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>late coming, but great post. </p>
<p>had a discussion not too long ago with a couple of guys I know about rape. I cited the common stat that 1 in 4 women have been raped. they didn&#8217;t believe me. they refused to believe that  <i>that many men are rapists</i>. they insisted that MOST MEN AREN&#8217;T RAPISTS. I said there was no way I would ever support that statement &#8212; that a small percentage of the population of men in the world are raping all the women who have been raped is highly unlikely. </p>
<p>anyway, just wanted to toss that out there. We DO ABSOLUTELY have a PERSONAL responsibilty to do what we can to denounce violence against women and not participate in the culture of violence against women that is our society. non-participation is not enough.</p>
<p>by the way, I likely won&#8217;t follow this comment up&#8230; I&#8217;m a drive-by commenter these days, but I&#8217;m happy to have found this site. </p>
<p>best, TG</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Martell</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/27/this-promotes-rape/#comment-2654</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine Martell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have anything to add. I expect we can all think our way around the idiot-boy commenters attempting to derail this discussion. 

The reason I am posting is to say: Cara, congratulations on this fantastic, brave and searing piece of writing. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have anything to add. I expect we can all think our way around the idiot-boy commenters attempting to derail this discussion. </p>
<p>The reason I am posting is to say: Cara, congratulations on this fantastic, brave and searing piece of writing. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: zombie z</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/27/this-promotes-rape/#comment-2557</link>
		<dc:creator>zombie z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 05:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like how one of the first commenters on Glenn&#039;s site said &quot;not like anyone takes[Jessica of Feministing] seriously.&quot; Oh...really? Maybe no one whose political sensibilities are so *finely tuned* as yours...
/sarcasm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like how one of the first commenters on Glenn&#8217;s site said &#8220;not like anyone takes[Jessica of Feministing] seriously.&#8221; Oh&#8230;really? Maybe no one whose political sensibilities are so *finely tuned* as yours&#8230;<br />
/sarcasm</p>
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		<title>By: kissmypineapple</title>
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		<dc:creator>kissmypineapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, for one thing, Jesus is not a member of a Christian group.  Jesus was Jewish.  Christians worship Christ, Jesus did not worship himself, Jesus was not Christian.  Secondly, given the understood record of Jesus&#039; teachings, I think I can say without a doubt that Jesus loves all people, homosexual people unequivocably included, and thus, would never endorse the horrific treatment they receive in our culture.

Secondly, people who say that God Hates Gays are not Christian, no matter what they think.  That&#039;s a very sad and pervasive example of how people can be tricked into doing evil things in Jesus&#039; name.  That doesn&#039;t mean they are actually acting on His behalf.  If I go out of my way to terrorize POC, but call myself an ally of POC, that doesn&#039;t make it true.  If I say I&#039;m Christian, but do things that Christ specifically spoke out against, then I am not Christian.  You can call an apple an orange, but it won&#039;t change what&#039;s inside.

Thirdly, yes, as a Christian, it is my responsibility to denounce those parts of the Bible.  They&#039;re deplorable, and have nothing to do with Christ&#039;s teachings or example.  Point of fact, the Bible isn&#039;t by its nature Christian.  It is a text that Christians have adopted to spread word about Jesus&#039; teachings.  Besides that, the entire Old Testament isn&#039;t even supposed to be attached to the text Christians used, b/c upon Jesus birth, the old covenant was nulled.  It&#039;s there mostly for context, but that section of the Bible is actually a Jewish text and not a Christian one.

I say live and let live up until the way you live encroaches on the rights of others.  If your way of living promotes rape, then, your way of living encroaches on the rights of others, and in fact endangers them.  It disrupts the live and let live concept for people who are survivors of rape and for those who are potential victims of rape.  So, no.  I will not let that kind of living pass without comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, for one thing, Jesus is not a member of a Christian group.  Jesus was Jewish.  Christians worship Christ, Jesus did not worship himself, Jesus was not Christian.  Secondly, given the understood record of Jesus&#8217; teachings, I think I can say without a doubt that Jesus loves all people, homosexual people unequivocably included, and thus, would never endorse the horrific treatment they receive in our culture.</p>
<p>Secondly, people who say that God Hates Gays are not Christian, no matter what they think.  That&#8217;s a very sad and pervasive example of how people can be tricked into doing evil things in Jesus&#8217; name.  That doesn&#8217;t mean they are actually acting on His behalf.  If I go out of my way to terrorize POC, but call myself an ally of POC, that doesn&#8217;t make it true.  If I say I&#8217;m Christian, but do things that Christ specifically spoke out against, then I am not Christian.  You can call an apple an orange, but it won&#8217;t change what&#8217;s inside.</p>
<p>Thirdly, yes, as a Christian, it is my responsibility to denounce those parts of the Bible.  They&#8217;re deplorable, and have nothing to do with Christ&#8217;s teachings or example.  Point of fact, the Bible isn&#8217;t by its nature Christian.  It is a text that Christians have adopted to spread word about Jesus&#8217; teachings.  Besides that, the entire Old Testament isn&#8217;t even supposed to be attached to the text Christians used, b/c upon Jesus birth, the old covenant was nulled.  It&#8217;s there mostly for context, but that section of the Bible is actually a Jewish text and not a Christian one.</p>
<p>I say live and let live up until the way you live encroaches on the rights of others.  If your way of living promotes rape, then, your way of living encroaches on the rights of others, and in fact endangers them.  It disrupts the live and let live concept for people who are survivors of rape and for those who are potential victims of rape.  So, no.  I will not let that kind of living pass without comment.</p>
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