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		<title>By: Stephan Wehner: Blog and Homepage &#187; the police: competence and responsibility</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephan Wehner: Blog and Homepage &#187; the police: competence and responsibility</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and responsible than the police officers on this continent, who use tasers on young and old, pregnant women, people with mental problems, and for example, killed Robert Dzieka?ski. The explanation or excuse [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/11/30/police-taser-pregnant-woman/#comment-2587</link>
		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am appauled and disgusted with the Police both in Canada and the United States. What have we sunk to as a nation or people. They critise the 3rd world but they are no better, some times worse in their inhumane treatment.  Tasers should be a very last resort and then only used on very large persons who can not be subdued be half a dozen (strong) suppposedly fit Police officers.  There is no call for it to ever be used on a woman and medical conditions should always be a factor in the use of a taser or stun gunn of any sort.  I know I would be upset if any one tried to take my child from me and just for the record. I have had heartatacks and strokes and have brain tumors as well.  That could have been me. And I would have died probably on the spot.  Like I have said use them only on the great massive hulks who can not be restrained by a half dozen of (what we jokingly call our finest) the Police Force. By the way make sure you are restraining for a good reason too.....Not just for questioning....because he does not have to sit and be questioned by any of the Police force or any one else with out a Lawyer present ....Make sure you get him or her one (a lawyer) first before you use force.

As a Canadian citizen I am embarrased to by the way the police acted at the airport with the Polish immigarnt. My sincere appoligies to you and my heart goes out to you as from one mother to another. Sometimes our children are not &quot;perfect but they are still our children and we love them just the same.  That is what good mothering is all about. Unconditional love.  

I am white not black but to me is does not matter. You are who you are because God made you that way and no one can help the color they were born with. Men who mark a difference by color should be ashamed of them selves and will find on judgment day that they will be held responsible for their actions.

Actions by the Police Forces like the ones taken with tassers on people with NO JUST CAUSE as in the case of the pregnant lady or the Polish immigrant, or John Peters 68yrs who was just making money delivering papers, (whose wife explained to the police that he had a neurological problem)and the officer still tassered him like he was playing with a new toy. (Big police man tassers 68 year old 5&#039;6&quot; senior citzen for parking offence)are all SAS COMEMTARY on life as we know it today....WAKE UP SOCOIETY  and tell the Police that they are there to protect us not to abuse their power over us.  If we don&#039;t speak up we have only our selves to blame when we become a POLICE STATE.  Let&#039;s tell them that brutality to the regular citizen and visiters to our country is not going to be tolerted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am appauled and disgusted with the Police both in Canada and the United States. What have we sunk to as a nation or people. They critise the 3rd world but they are no better, some times worse in their inhumane treatment.  Tasers should be a very last resort and then only used on very large persons who can not be subdued be half a dozen (strong) suppposedly fit Police officers.  There is no call for it to ever be used on a woman and medical conditions should always be a factor in the use of a taser or stun gunn of any sort.  I know I would be upset if any one tried to take my child from me and just for the record. I have had heartatacks and strokes and have brain tumors as well.  That could have been me. And I would have died probably on the spot.  Like I have said use them only on the great massive hulks who can not be restrained by a half dozen of (what we jokingly call our finest) the Police Force. By the way make sure you are restraining for a good reason too&#8230;..Not just for questioning&#8230;.because he does not have to sit and be questioned by any of the Police force or any one else with out a Lawyer present &#8230;.Make sure you get him or her one (a lawyer) first before you use force.</p>
<p>As a Canadian citizen I am embarrased to by the way the police acted at the airport with the Polish immigarnt. My sincere appoligies to you and my heart goes out to you as from one mother to another. Sometimes our children are not &#8220;perfect but they are still our children and we love them just the same.  That is what good mothering is all about. Unconditional love.  </p>
<p>I am white not black but to me is does not matter. You are who you are because God made you that way and no one can help the color they were born with. Men who mark a difference by color should be ashamed of them selves and will find on judgment day that they will be held responsible for their actions.</p>
<p>Actions by the Police Forces like the ones taken with tassers on people with NO JUST CAUSE as in the case of the pregnant lady or the Polish immigrant, or John Peters 68yrs who was just making money delivering papers, (whose wife explained to the police that he had a neurological problem)and the officer still tassered him like he was playing with a new toy. (Big police man tassers 68 year old 5&#8217;6&#8243; senior citzen for parking offence)are all SAS COMEMTARY on life as we know it today&#8230;.WAKE UP SOCOIETY  and tell the Police that they are there to protect us not to abuse their power over us.  If we don&#8217;t speak up we have only our selves to blame when we become a POLICE STATE.  Let&#8217;s tell them that brutality to the regular citizen and visiters to our country is not going to be tolerted.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, Dew.  That was a poor choice of wording.  I should have said &quot;would want to talk with her before making sure that the child was going to be safe.&quot;  I certainly don&#039;t think that they had any right to detain her, though, and certainly not to arrest her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Dew.  That was a poor choice of wording.  I should have said &#8220;would want to talk with her before making sure that the child was going to be safe.&#8221;  I certainly don&#8217;t think that they had any right to detain her, though, and certainly not to arrest her.</p>
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		<title>By: dew</title>
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		<dc:creator>dew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree strongly with the first sentence of your last paragraph. I &lt;i&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; see why they felt the need to stop her at all. She didn&#039;t dump the kid in a dumpster as people have been known to do; that would clearly have been endangerment. She walked into what she thought was a safe place and tried to do what she apparently thought she needed to do for whatever reason. Then she changed her mind. I can see that they might have wanted to try talking to her, to make sure she was ok, emotionally stable and so on, that the kid would be safe. But she doesn&#039;t sound like she was raving and frothing at the mouth or anything. And if he hadn&#039;t grabbed her, she wouldn&#039;t have resisted. This whole thing is sickening, and what&#039;s especially sad is that the woman may have been trying to give up the child so it wouldn&#039;t be abused by someone else at home, and here&#039;s yet another place that SHOULD be safe, but isn&#039;t. The world must be terrifying for her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree strongly with the first sentence of your last paragraph. I <i>don&#8217;t</i> see why they felt the need to stop her at all. She didn&#8217;t dump the kid in a dumpster as people have been known to do; that would clearly have been endangerment. She walked into what she thought was a safe place and tried to do what she apparently thought she needed to do for whatever reason. Then she changed her mind. I can see that they might have wanted to try talking to her, to make sure she was ok, emotionally stable and so on, that the kid would be safe. But she doesn&#8217;t sound like she was raving and frothing at the mouth or anything. And if he hadn&#8217;t grabbed her, she wouldn&#8217;t have resisted. This whole thing is sickening, and what&#8217;s especially sad is that the woman may have been trying to give up the child so it wouldn&#8217;t be abused by someone else at home, and here&#8217;s yet another place that SHOULD be safe, but isn&#8217;t. The world must be terrifying for her.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the time of these articles, there was apparently no sign of serious injury to either the woman or her fetus, but I also don&#039;t know if she has been checked out by an OB/GYN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the time of these articles, there was apparently no sign of serious injury to either the woman or her fetus, but I also don&#8217;t know if she has been checked out by an OB/GYN.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did they say anything about her condition or the state of her pregnancy after the incident?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did they say anything about her condition or the state of her pregnancy after the incident?</p>
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		<title>By: L</title>
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		<dc:creator>L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 06:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Columbus and have been seeing this  story on my local news (ABC 6). 

   The reason why this woman wanted to give up her child was because the child&#039;s father is abusive and kept coming after this woman. I believe she has a restraining order against him. He&#039;s harassed her so much, that she finally decided to get rid of her last link to him, her child. Apparently the police officer she was talking to was very hostile towards her, asking her questions meant to shame her about giving up the child. She perceived that she would get no help at the police station, and turned to go. After she was tackled to the ground the officer told her to give him her other arm, but she couldn&#039;t, because she was laying on it and his weight prevented her from moving. Since she didn&#039;t &#039;comply&#039; by giving her arm she was considered &#039;resisting arrest&#039; and then he used the taser on the back of her neck.

The media is portraying it from the victims perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Columbus and have been seeing this  story on my local news (ABC 6). </p>
<p>   The reason why this woman wanted to give up her child was because the child&#8217;s father is abusive and kept coming after this woman. I believe she has a restraining order against him. He&#8217;s harassed her so much, that she finally decided to get rid of her last link to him, her child. Apparently the police officer she was talking to was very hostile towards her, asking her questions meant to shame her about giving up the child. She perceived that she would get no help at the police station, and turned to go. After she was tackled to the ground the officer told her to give him her other arm, but she couldn&#8217;t, because she was laying on it and his weight prevented her from moving. Since she didn&#8217;t &#8216;comply&#8217; by giving her arm she was considered &#8216;resisting arrest&#8217; and then he used the taser on the back of her neck.</p>
<p>The media is portraying it from the victims perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: RachelPhilPa</title>
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		<dc:creator>RachelPhilPa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 01:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IBTP.

Yes, we need to ban Tasers *now*, but cops will find other ways to torture and abuse civilians.  Police forces are still overwhelmingly male, and the attitude I&#039;ve seen in most male cops - and in nearly every white male cop - is one of a dude on a giant power trip.  Rarely do I think that a man joins a police force for altruistic reasons (wanting to help his community), even if that&#039;s what they profess initially, their actions show otherwise.

Maybe I&#039;m all wet on this, but it seems to me that patriarchy uses racism as one of its tools of oppression; it&#039;s not men that are on top, it&#039;s white men who are on top.  It seems that white men are encouraged to wield their power in the harshest way against women of color, and police forces do everything in their power to encourage that behavior.  If tasers aren&#039;t available, nightsticks, rape, bullets in the back will do.

I note also, that the level of police harassment against trans women of color is appalling; there&#039;s probably a whole bunch of tasering incidents that we don&#039;t know about, because even many progressives don&#039;t care about that population and don&#039;t report on such incidents.

Although my being white might protect me somewhat, the fact that I am trans means that I&#039;m more likely to be tortured in this way.  I don&#039;t trust the police the least bit.

BTW, this is why I support Second Amendment rights (odd for a progressive, but I&#039;m not the only one), even though I don&#039;t own a gun.  I say this from a perspective that police do little to protect people - especially those of oppressed groups - from crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IBTP.</p>
<p>Yes, we need to ban Tasers *now*, but cops will find other ways to torture and abuse civilians.  Police forces are still overwhelmingly male, and the attitude I&#8217;ve seen in most male cops &#8211; and in nearly every white male cop &#8211; is one of a dude on a giant power trip.  Rarely do I think that a man joins a police force for altruistic reasons (wanting to help his community), even if that&#8217;s what they profess initially, their actions show otherwise.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m all wet on this, but it seems to me that patriarchy uses racism as one of its tools of oppression; it&#8217;s not men that are on top, it&#8217;s white men who are on top.  It seems that white men are encouraged to wield their power in the harshest way against women of color, and police forces do everything in their power to encourage that behavior.  If tasers aren&#8217;t available, nightsticks, rape, bullets in the back will do.</p>
<p>I note also, that the level of police harassment against trans women of color is appalling; there&#8217;s probably a whole bunch of tasering incidents that we don&#8217;t know about, because even many progressives don&#8217;t care about that population and don&#8217;t report on such incidents.</p>
<p>Although my being white might protect me somewhat, the fact that I am trans means that I&#8217;m more likely to be tortured in this way.  I don&#8217;t trust the police the least bit.</p>
<p>BTW, this is why I support Second Amendment rights (odd for a progressive, but I&#8217;m not the only one), even though I don&#8217;t own a gun.  I say this from a perspective that police do little to protect people &#8211; especially those of oppressed groups &#8211; from crime.</p>
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		<title>By: rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s nuts; a couple of weeks ago I read this article about tasers as well:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/18/taser.death/index.html

So many incidents in so short a time by law enforcement by the use of a supposed non-lethal weapon?  And what happens if someone who is tased is wearing pacemaker, for instance, to say nothing of being pregnant?  Just a shitty weapon for cops to have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s nuts; a couple of weeks ago I read this article about tasers as well:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/18/taser.death/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/18/taser.death/index.html</a></p>
<p>So many incidents in so short a time by law enforcement by the use of a supposed non-lethal weapon?  And what happens if someone who is tased is wearing pacemaker, for instance, to say nothing of being pregnant?  Just a shitty weapon for cops to have.</p>
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		<title>By: kissmypineapple</title>
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		<dc:creator>kissmypineapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s absolutely sickening.  Knocking her down wasn&#039;t enough to incapacitate a woman who had not been aggressive at all?  Tasering her so close to her heart was necessary?  Wait, what&#039;s that?  She was black?  Well, then I guess it&#039;s okay.

What is wrong with people??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s absolutely sickening.  Knocking her down wasn&#8217;t enough to incapacitate a woman who had not been aggressive at all?  Tasering her so close to her heart was necessary?  Wait, what&#8217;s that?  She was black?  Well, then I guess it&#8217;s okay.</p>
<p>What is wrong with people??</p>
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