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	<title>Comments on: Rape: not just &#8220;experimentation&#8221; anymore, now also &#8220;disagreement.&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: zombie z</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/12/18/rape-not-just-experimentation-anymore-now-also-disagreement/#comment-2702</link>
		<dc:creator>zombie z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are words that are generally used in misogynistic ways -- and the only time I&#039;ve seen these words employed on the (feminist) blogs *I* read was in discussion of such words and their consequences (say, &quot;cunt&quot; or it&#039;s first-cousin, &quot;pussy&quot;; sometimes even &quot;bitch&quot;). 

If men can use those other &quot;gutter&quot; words -- ass, fuck, damn, etc -- then so can women. It&#039;s rather anti-feminist to say that women can&#039;t use &quot;male-invented gutter language.&quot; If men invented gutter language, it&#039;s arguable that men invented ALL language; I&#039;m not a linguist, but from what I know about the evolution of language, I tend to believe women have just as much invested as men. 

I do NOT think words unrelated to women (fuck, damn, hell, shit, etc) are a feminist issue. Believe what you want about what it says about someone&#039;s &quot;class,&quot; but don&#039;t claim moral superiority. In the end, they are just words expressing stronger than &quot;goshdern&quot; could possibly. 

My first response when I read this article? &quot;WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK??!!!!&quot; But hey, I don&#039;t have an English degree, so I guess that&#039;s all one can expect. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are words that are generally used in misogynistic ways &#8212; and the only time I&#8217;ve seen these words employed on the (feminist) blogs *I* read was in discussion of such words and their consequences (say, &#8220;cunt&#8221; or it&#8217;s first-cousin, &#8220;pussy&#8221;; sometimes even &#8220;bitch&#8221;). </p>
<p>If men can use those other &#8220;gutter&#8221; words &#8212; ass, fuck, damn, etc &#8212; then so can women. It&#8217;s rather anti-feminist to say that women can&#8217;t use &#8220;male-invented gutter language.&#8221; If men invented gutter language, it&#8217;s arguable that men invented ALL language; I&#8217;m not a linguist, but from what I know about the evolution of language, I tend to believe women have just as much invested as men. </p>
<p>I do NOT think words unrelated to women (fuck, damn, hell, shit, etc) are a feminist issue. Believe what you want about what it says about someone&#8217;s &#8220;class,&#8221; but don&#8217;t claim moral superiority. In the end, they are just words expressing stronger than &#8220;goshdern&#8221; could possibly. </p>
<p>My first response when I read this article? &#8220;WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK??!!!!&#8221; But hey, I don&#8217;t have an English degree, so I guess that&#8217;s all one can expect. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: BettyBoondoggle</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/12/18/rape-not-just-experimentation-anymore-now-also-disagreement/#comment-2701</link>
		<dc:creator>BettyBoondoggle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D. Cordes - don&#039;t let the door hit you on your panty-sniffing, moral panicky, anti-feminist ass.  

I will continue reading, as will plenty of others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D. Cordes &#8211; don&#8217;t let the door hit you on your panty-sniffing, moral panicky, anti-feminist ass.  </p>
<p>I will continue reading, as will plenty of others.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/12/18/rape-not-just-experimentation-anymore-now-also-disagreement/#comment-2698</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh noes, D. Cordes told me.

What I love most is that Cordes somehow expects us to believe that sie is a feminist.  Really, a government official says that date rape is a &quot;disagreement,&quot; and the best sie can say is &quot;I can&#039;t believe you swore?&quot;  Um . . . yeah.  That&#039;s the kind of feminist reader I want.

And for the record, I reread the post and I &lt;i&gt;didn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; swear here.  I have no idea why, but I didn&#039;t.  Maybe Cordes is offended by the word &quot;asses?&quot;  Or maybe Cordes meant to leave a note on the last post, in which I did indeed swear gratuitously, but got so excited about putting me in my place and telling me how &quot;ignorant&quot; I am that sie ended up commenting no the wrong post.  (which is something many intelligent people have done, but god, when you&#039;re arguing your superiority really isn&#039;t the best time, is it?).

All I know is that when government officials are calling rape misunderstandings and quarrels and when legislators are trying to take away womens&#039; bodily autonomy, if the thing that offends you most is the word fuck (*gasp!!) . . . well someone is indeed ignorant and sad here, but it sure as hell isn&#039;t me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh noes, D. Cordes told me.</p>
<p>What I love most is that Cordes somehow expects us to believe that sie is a feminist.  Really, a government official says that date rape is a &#8220;disagreement,&#8221; and the best sie can say is &#8220;I can&#8217;t believe you swore?&#8221;  Um . . . yeah.  That&#8217;s the kind of feminist reader I want.</p>
<p>And for the record, I reread the post and I <i>didn&#8217;t</i> swear here.  I have no idea why, but I didn&#8217;t.  Maybe Cordes is offended by the word &#8220;asses?&#8221;  Or maybe Cordes meant to leave a note on the last post, in which I did indeed swear gratuitously, but got so excited about putting me in my place and telling me how &#8220;ignorant&#8221; I am that sie ended up commenting no the wrong post.  (which is something many intelligent people have done, but god, when you&#8217;re arguing your superiority really isn&#8217;t the best time, is it?).</p>
<p>All I know is that when government officials are calling rape misunderstandings and quarrels and when legislators are trying to take away womens&#8217; bodily autonomy, if the thing that offends you most is the word fuck (*gasp!!) . . . well someone is indeed ignorant and sad here, but it sure as hell isn&#8217;t me.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Cordes</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/12/18/rape-not-just-experimentation-anymore-now-also-disagreement/#comment-2696</link>
		<dc:creator>D. Cordes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was interested in this topic but found it difficult to read because of the use of disgusting language. Why would someone with a degree in English (from UWS - really?) be so bereft of vocabulary as to resort to gutter language.  It isn&#039;t clever. It is ugly, ignorant and sad.

If this blog is representative of modern feminism I would have to say the revolution, for which so many of us worked so hard, did not achieve its goals, one of which was to liberate young women from attachment to male-invented gutter language which often refers in derogatory fashion, to sexual intercourse, or to female body parts.  

I won&#039;t be reading the blog again, but for young women who might, do them a favour and ban vulgar language that insults anyone who reads it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was interested in this topic but found it difficult to read because of the use of disgusting language. Why would someone with a degree in English (from UWS &#8211; really?) be so bereft of vocabulary as to resort to gutter language.  It isn&#8217;t clever. It is ugly, ignorant and sad.</p>
<p>If this blog is representative of modern feminism I would have to say the revolution, for which so many of us worked so hard, did not achieve its goals, one of which was to liberate young women from attachment to male-invented gutter language which often refers in derogatory fashion, to sexual intercourse, or to female body parts.  </p>
<p>I won&#8217;t be reading the blog again, but for young women who might, do them a favour and ban vulgar language that insults anyone who reads it.</p>
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		<title>By: akeeyu</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/12/18/rape-not-just-experimentation-anymore-now-also-disagreement/#comment-2695</link>
		<dc:creator>akeeyu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and there&#039;s always this:

&quot;...there is a difference between a man using unreasonable force to assault a woman on the street...&quot;

It really does beg the question: In this man&#039;s mind, is there a REASONABLE amount of force that can be employed when assaulting a woman on the street?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and there&#8217;s always this:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;there is a difference between a man using unreasonable force to assault a woman on the street&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>It really does beg the question: In this man&#8217;s mind, is there a REASONABLE amount of force that can be employed when assaulting a woman on the street?</p>
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		<title>By: zombie z</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/12/18/rape-not-just-experimentation-anymore-now-also-disagreement/#comment-2694</link>
		<dc:creator>zombie z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote about this too. All I have to say is: :( 

Sadly...I&#039;ve seen people on less-intelligent-minded blogs basically agreeing with the sentiment and toting off BS (aka blantant misinformation) about women &quot;lying&quot; about rape happening...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote about this too. All I have to say is: :( </p>
<p>Sadly&#8230;I&#8217;ve seen people on less-intelligent-minded blogs basically agreeing with the sentiment and toting off BS (aka blantant misinformation) about women &#8220;lying&#8221; about rape happening&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understandable, Anna -- rage is capable of erasing all grammar and punctuation skills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understandable, Anna &#8212; rage is capable of erasing all grammar and punctuation skills.</p>
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		<title>By: RachelPhilPa</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/12/18/rape-not-just-experimentation-anymore-now-also-disagreement/#comment-2692</link>
		<dc:creator>RachelPhilPa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the FUCK is WRONG with these men?  Does NOTHING ever change with them?

* Rachel reaches for her copy of The S.C.U.M. Manifesto *</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the FUCK is WRONG with these men?  Does NOTHING ever change with them?</p>
<p>* Rachel reaches for her copy of The S.C.U.M. Manifesto *</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ignore the stray &quot;?&quot; question mark in my above comment - a mistake - not an attempt to question stranger rape.

sorry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignore the stray &#8220;?&#8221; question mark in my above comment &#8211; a mistake &#8211; not an attempt to question stranger rape.</p>
<p>sorry!</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Date rape is, in many respects, WORSE!!! because it involves an abuse of trust and the exercise of physical power in the act of betraying this trust.  There is no trust to be violated - on this level - between strangers (this is not to excuse, by any means, stranger rape?.  ALSO!!!!!  the emotional trauma of having one&#039;s trust violated!

What&#039;s with these men?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Date rape is, in many respects, WORSE!!! because it involves an abuse of trust and the exercise of physical power in the act of betraying this trust.  There is no trust to be violated &#8211; on this level &#8211; between strangers (this is not to excuse, by any means, stranger rape?.  ALSO!!!!!  the emotional trauma of having one&#8217;s trust violated!</p>
<p>What&#8217;s with these men?!</p>
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