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		<title>By: How many times must we go over this? : The Curvature</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/12/31/this-week-in-hysterical-prudishness/#comment-7390</link>
		<dc:creator>How many times must we go over this? : The Curvature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] know, I really feel like I&#8217;ve covered the &#8220;aaaahhh, sex education for kindergartners? What&#8217;s wrong with you liberals?&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] know, I really feel like I&#8217;ve covered the &#8220;aaaahhh, sex education for kindergartners? What&#8217;s wrong with you liberals?&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lemur</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/12/31/this-week-in-hysterical-prudishness/#comment-6736</link>
		<dc:creator>Lemur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really, it would be great if all parents were as enlightened as some of the ones in the above comments, but they&#039;re not. The idea of school is to teach kids. Teach them what their parents won&#039;t, teach them what their parents can&#039;t (how much do your folks remember about Greek history?), teach them what they need to know. This is why we have stuff like Home Ec, Shop, and Health in addition to the basic English and Math. You can&#039;t leave it up to only the parents to teach their kids the important stuff, especially when it comes to something like sex, where parents aren&#039;t comfortable thinking of their child as a sexual being, now or in the future. If we could rely on parents to be objective teachers of everything, we&#039;d all be homeschooled and wouldn&#039;t need public school. But it doesn&#039;t work that way. Education isn&#039;t a bad thing. Even *gasp* Sex Ed. Even *gasp* if kids aren&#039;t at puberty. THAT&#039;S the bottom line. Thanks, Cara.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, it would be great if all parents were as enlightened as some of the ones in the above comments, but they&#8217;re not. The idea of school is to teach kids. Teach them what their parents won&#8217;t, teach them what their parents can&#8217;t (how much do your folks remember about Greek history?), teach them what they need to know. This is why we have stuff like Home Ec, Shop, and Health in addition to the basic English and Math. You can&#8217;t leave it up to only the parents to teach their kids the important stuff, especially when it comes to something like sex, where parents aren&#8217;t comfortable thinking of their child as a sexual being, now or in the future. If we could rely on parents to be objective teachers of everything, we&#8217;d all be homeschooled and wouldn&#8217;t need public school. But it doesn&#8217;t work that way. Education isn&#8217;t a bad thing. Even *gasp* Sex Ed. Even *gasp* if kids aren&#8217;t at puberty. THAT&#8217;S the bottom line. Thanks, Cara.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/12/31/this-week-in-hysterical-prudishness/#comment-6727</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yuh huh.  And then if the parent doesn&#039;t do their job . . . I guess it&#039;s teen pregnancy and STDs for Junior!  Tough shit, kid!

No, the bottom line is that it&#039;s a public health issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yuh huh.  And then if the parent doesn&#8217;t do their job . . . I guess it&#8217;s teen pregnancy and STDs for Junior!  Tough shit, kid!</p>
<p>No, the bottom line is that it&#8217;s a public health issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/12/31/this-week-in-hysterical-prudishness/#comment-6724</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok here is my take on this. I think that the level of education we give about sex is inadequate but I do not feel that we need to begin teaching children in school at a younger age. What ever happened to parents having a responsibility to teach their children &quot;the birds and the bees?&quot; This is absolutely embarrassing that we want school teachers to educate our children about these matters. It is the responsibility of the parents to pay attention to their children and talk to them and teach them things about sex.

Simple fact of the matter is that if a child is poorly educated in any subject matter, whether sex and human reproduction or history, it is the responsibility of the parent. Parents are supposed to make sure that their children receive a proper education whether it be teaching the child themselves or making sure that the educators are doing their job.

That is the bottom line!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok here is my take on this. I think that the level of education we give about sex is inadequate but I do not feel that we need to begin teaching children in school at a younger age. What ever happened to parents having a responsibility to teach their children &#8220;the birds and the bees?&#8221; This is absolutely embarrassing that we want school teachers to educate our children about these matters. It is the responsibility of the parents to pay attention to their children and talk to them and teach them things about sex.</p>
<p>Simple fact of the matter is that if a child is poorly educated in any subject matter, whether sex and human reproduction or history, it is the responsibility of the parent. Parents are supposed to make sure that their children receive a proper education whether it be teaching the child themselves or making sure that the educators are doing their job.</p>
<p>That is the bottom line!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/12/31/this-week-in-hysterical-prudishness/#comment-6709</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Starting sex ed at a young age makes all the sense in the world. We start drug education at a young age, why shouldn&#039;t we do the same for sex ed? And by doing the right kind of sex ed, as you touched upon, we can help to encourage the right reasons for having sex and help to inform people. Sex as teens will become less about &#039;being cool&#039; and being defiant and more about what it should be about.

Buuut of course society will never let it fly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Starting sex ed at a young age makes all the sense in the world. We start drug education at a young age, why shouldn&#8217;t we do the same for sex ed? And by doing the right kind of sex ed, as you touched upon, we can help to encourage the right reasons for having sex and help to inform people. Sex as teens will become less about &#8216;being cool&#8217; and being defiant and more about what it should be about.</p>
<p>Buuut of course society will never let it fly.</p>
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		<title>By: Lory</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/12/31/this-week-in-hysterical-prudishness/#comment-2845</link>
		<dc:creator>Lory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful post, and so correct - although slightly preaching to the converted, it seems!  I thought I&#039;d weigh in with my own experience.  I learnt about sex really early (so early I don&#039;t even remember when) because my parents provided me with age-appropriate books.  As I got older, the books got more complicated, more informative, so that I knew everything I was taught in sex ed at secondary school.  And when did I lose my virginity?  Three months short of my nineteenth birthday.  Not a lack of opportunity, but I knew I wasn&#039;t ready, and wouldn&#039;t enjoy it unless I was.

Unfortunately I can&#039;t remember who it was by, but I remember a brilliant book which dealt with tons of different issues that kids might ask questions about - sex, drugs, colour, bullying, disability etc, and then presented a sort of stock answer to each question for ages 3-5, 6-8, and 9-12.  I think in a debate like this, it could be a good illustration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful post, and so correct &#8211; although slightly preaching to the converted, it seems!  I thought I&#8217;d weigh in with my own experience.  I learnt about sex really early (so early I don&#8217;t even remember when) because my parents provided me with age-appropriate books.  As I got older, the books got more complicated, more informative, so that I knew everything I was taught in sex ed at secondary school.  And when did I lose my virginity?  Three months short of my nineteenth birthday.  Not a lack of opportunity, but I knew I wasn&#8217;t ready, and wouldn&#8217;t enjoy it unless I was.</p>
<p>Unfortunately I can&#8217;t remember who it was by, but I remember a brilliant book which dealt with tons of different issues that kids might ask questions about &#8211; sex, drugs, colour, bullying, disability etc, and then presented a sort of stock answer to each question for ages 3-5, 6-8, and 9-12.  I think in a debate like this, it could be a good illustration.</p>
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		<title>By: brandann</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/12/31/this-week-in-hysterical-prudishness/#comment-2820</link>
		<dc:creator>brandann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i know i have said it b/f, but it is so so so so so very important to start talking about sex w/ kids b/f they reach puberty...that age is too hard already and confusing and embarrassing, so enter the parent who wants to talk to the embarrassed kid about their icky embarrassing body...give me a break...you may as well build a wall around you so that the kid can never get in to talk about sex at all...

i found a great book, called &#039;it&#039;s not the stork&#039;, geared for kids 4 and up, which is basic, and what i pictured being taught in saunder&#039;s system...all about bodies, proper names, how babies are made, and even good touches vs bad touches...yeah...i can see how that is dangerous to teach kids...

wonderful post,  cara!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i know i have said it b/f, but it is so so so so so very important to start talking about sex w/ kids b/f they reach puberty&#8230;that age is too hard already and confusing and embarrassing, so enter the parent who wants to talk to the embarrassed kid about their icky embarrassing body&#8230;give me a break&#8230;you may as well build a wall around you so that the kid can never get in to talk about sex at all&#8230;</p>
<p>i found a great book, called &#8216;it&#8217;s not the stork&#8217;, geared for kids 4 and up, which is basic, and what i pictured being taught in saunder&#8217;s system&#8230;all about bodies, proper names, how babies are made, and even good touches vs bad touches&#8230;yeah&#8230;i can see how that is dangerous to teach kids&#8230;</p>
<p>wonderful post,  cara!</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Martell</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/12/31/this-week-in-hysterical-prudishness/#comment-2812</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine Martell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 10:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s extraordinary that someone claiming to be a doctor would write something as stupid as &quot;A five-year-old has no sexuality.&quot; I have many problems with Freud, but it has been a century since he began the academic discussion of childhood sexual development. To be ignorant of that entire field as a 21st-century medical professional is just incredible.

&quot;That people are so unable to seperate “sexual being” with “being who it is okay for me to fuck” is the problem, here.&quot;

Exactly. I also think it&#039;s extraordinary that people imagine that simply being told about the theory of something will immediately make students go and do it. The opposite attitude is evident when it comes to teaching children about anything else that involves dangers: war, genocide, racism, drugs, debt, road safety etc. The anti-sex-ed crowd always sound to me like the direct equivalent of saying: &quot;We shouldn&#039;t have school fire drills, because it will encourage kids to burn the school down.&quot;

Don&#039;t go stapling condoms to handouts, though. The Ministry of Health did that in South Africa with not-very-hilarious results. A bit of sellotape does the job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s extraordinary that someone claiming to be a doctor would write something as stupid as &#8220;A five-year-old has no sexuality.&#8221; I have many problems with Freud, but it has been a century since he began the academic discussion of childhood sexual development. To be ignorant of that entire field as a 21st-century medical professional is just incredible.</p>
<p>&#8220;That people are so unable to seperate “sexual being” with “being who it is okay for me to fuck” is the problem, here.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly. I also think it&#8217;s extraordinary that people imagine that simply being told about the theory of something will immediately make students go and do it. The opposite attitude is evident when it comes to teaching children about anything else that involves dangers: war, genocide, racism, drugs, debt, road safety etc. The anti-sex-ed crowd always sound to me like the direct equivalent of saying: &#8220;We shouldn&#8217;t have school fire drills, because it will encourage kids to burn the school down.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t go stapling condoms to handouts, though. The Ministry of Health did that in South Africa with not-very-hilarious results. A bit of sellotape does the job.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2007/12/31/this-week-in-hysterical-prudishness/#comment-2811</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I almost told this story in the post, but it didn&#039;t really seem to fit anywhere, so I&#039;ll tell it now.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s not really my story.  When I first started volunteering with Planned Parenthood, I met a woman who is the head of the education department out here in the boonies.  And she was talking about how a few weeks before, she was doing an evening educational program for parents about how to talk to their kids about sex.  She started with an introductory video, which included a lot of the stuff I wrote about in this post -- that while children don&#039;t have sexual desire, they do know what feels good and masturbate, this is natural and something that you shouldn&#039;t discourage except to teach them that it&#039;s something that should be done in private, etc.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This was a group of people who came to a program that they knew was by Planned Parenthood (which means they were probably liberal enough to want and expect more than abstinence only shit), wanting to learn about how to talk about sex with their children of varying ages.  But while the educational director was running the video, over half the audience just got up and left.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The worst part?  When I expressed surprise, she just looked back at me like &lt;i&gt;she&lt;/i&gt; was surprised and told me that she expects it now.  Apparently, it happens regularly.  My best guess?  That she puts the video on first to weed out everyone who will only be a disruption while she actually tries to teach people something.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I almost told this story in the post, but it didn&#8217;t really seem to fit anywhere, so I&#8217;ll tell it now.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not really my story.  When I first started volunteering with Planned Parenthood, I met a woman who is the head of the education department out here in the boonies.  And she was talking about how a few weeks before, she was doing an evening educational program for parents about how to talk to their kids about sex.  She started with an introductory video, which included a lot of the stuff I wrote about in this post &#8212; that while children don&#8217;t have sexual desire, they do know what feels good and masturbate, this is natural and something that you shouldn&#8217;t discourage except to teach them that it&#8217;s something that should be done in private, etc.</p>
<p>This was a group of people who came to a program that they knew was by Planned Parenthood (which means they were probably liberal enough to want and expect more than abstinence only shit), wanting to learn about how to talk about sex with their children of varying ages.  But while the educational director was running the video, over half the audience just got up and left.</p>
<p>The worst part?  When I expressed surprise, she just looked back at me like <i>she</i> was surprised and told me that she expects it now.  Apparently, it happens regularly.  My best guess?  That she puts the video on first to weed out everyone who will only be a disruption while she actually tries to teach people something.</p>
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		<title>By: RachelPhilPa</title>
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		<dc:creator>RachelPhilPa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, there&#039;s people who are upset because Dr Saunders wants to teach 5-year-olds that it&#039;s ok to say &quot;No&quot;?  

G-ddess forbid we should ever raise children to have a sense of their own bodily autonomy.  We can&#039;t do that, because that would interfere with the mission of the schools - to destroy self-determination and self-identity, and turn out more sheeple.  /sarcasm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, there&#8217;s people who are upset because Dr Saunders wants to teach 5-year-olds that it&#8217;s ok to say &#8220;No&#8221;?  </p>
<p>G-ddess forbid we should ever raise children to have a sense of their own bodily autonomy.  We can&#8217;t do that, because that would interfere with the mission of the schools &#8211; to destroy self-determination and self-identity, and turn out more sheeple.  /sarcasm</p>
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