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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/01/07/this-is-what-i-hate-about-politics/#comment-2920</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Carrie.  I was actually rather displeased with the editorial, and rather disappointed because I like and respect Steinem.  My basic thoughts are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.haloscan.com/comments/farlio/531843007518745393/#515297&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  I think that Steinem could have made her argument about sexism towards Clinton without making some bogus claim that sexism is more pervasive than racism.  I also think her suggestion that Clinton&#039;s gender lost Iowa for her is bogus.  I think she lost because Obama is extremely charismatic (I think that Clinton is, too, but Obama still beats here there), he threw a HUGE amount of personal effort into his campaign there, and he just all around ran a better campaign.  I was hoping for an Edwards win, personally, but I do have to be impressed with Obama&#039;s win.  He worked his ass off for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Carrie.  I was actually rather displeased with the editorial, and rather disappointed because I like and respect Steinem.  My basic thoughts are <a href="http://www.haloscan.com/comments/farlio/531843007518745393/#515297" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  I think that Steinem could have made her argument about sexism towards Clinton without making some bogus claim that sexism is more pervasive than racism.  I also think her suggestion that Clinton&#8217;s gender lost Iowa for her is bogus.  I think she lost because Obama is extremely charismatic (I think that Clinton is, too, but Obama still beats here there), he threw a HUGE amount of personal effort into his campaign there, and he just all around ran a better campaign.  I was hoping for an Edwards win, personally, but I do have to be impressed with Obama&#8217;s win.  He worked his ass off for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/01/07/this-is-what-i-hate-about-politics/#comment-2919</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 01:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m bummed about Edwards&#039; reaction to Clinton&#039;s show of emotion (especially b/c I spent this past Saturday canvassing for him in NH...) but I&#039;m not sure I&#039;m ready to jump ship just yet. The article you quote goes on to say that Edwards later adopted a more sympathetic tone. I would like to see a video before jumping to any conclusions. More generally, the overall Edwards media coverage (or lackthereof) is driving me crazy.  He isn&#039;t given equal time to Obama &amp; Clinton, &amp; as Michael Moore has hinted at, I wonder to what degree Edwards&#039; refusal to embrace corporate dollars has hindered his campaign (what media giant wants to promote a candidate like him???). On a kind of related note, I&#039;d be curious to hear your thoughts on Gloria Steinem&#039;s op-ed in today&#039;s NY Times.  

I&#039;ve just recently discovered your blog--and I think it&#039;s great. Thanks for promoting thought-provoking and feminist dialog. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m bummed about Edwards&#8217; reaction to Clinton&#8217;s show of emotion (especially b/c I spent this past Saturday canvassing for him in NH&#8230;) but I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;m ready to jump ship just yet. The article you quote goes on to say that Edwards later adopted a more sympathetic tone. I would like to see a video before jumping to any conclusions. More generally, the overall Edwards media coverage (or lackthereof) is driving me crazy.  He isn&#8217;t given equal time to Obama &amp; Clinton, &amp; as Michael Moore has hinted at, I wonder to what degree Edwards&#8217; refusal to embrace corporate dollars has hindered his campaign (what media giant wants to promote a candidate like him???). On a kind of related note, I&#8217;d be curious to hear your thoughts on Gloria Steinem&#8217;s op-ed in today&#8217;s NY Times.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just recently discovered your blog&#8211;and I think it&#8217;s great. Thanks for promoting thought-provoking and feminist dialog. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/01/07/this-is-what-i-hate-about-politics/#comment-2892</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see what is wrong with Obama talking to the country&#039;s most famous pro-choice organization about his pro-choice votes.  Actually, I think it&#039;s great to have politicians in office who go to the experts in making their decisions and work in collaboration with the people whose work they support, instead of just thinking they instinctively know what&#039;s best for everyone by virtue of being elected.

Also, I&#039;m pretty sure that Obama&#039;s blood is red just like the rest of ours.  *rolls eyes*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see what is wrong with Obama talking to the country&#8217;s most famous pro-choice organization about his pro-choice votes.  Actually, I think it&#8217;s great to have politicians in office who go to the experts in making their decisions and work in collaboration with the people whose work they support, instead of just thinking they instinctively know what&#8217;s best for everyone by virtue of being elected.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m pretty sure that Obama&#8217;s blood is red just like the rest of ours.  *rolls eyes*</p>
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		<title>By: Crispy</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/01/07/this-is-what-i-hate-about-politics/#comment-2891</link>
		<dc:creator>Crispy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy, that&#039;s just what I&#039;m looking for in a leader:  &quot;Obama’s “present” votes were Planned Parenthoods’ idea&quot;.  Not that Hillary has shown much in the way of leadership as a Senator.

By the way, for all the bigots out there of all kinds, Barack Obama is actually of mixed race, with a white mother and black (African from Kenya) father.  It doesn&#039;t really matter to me, since I&#039;m mixed too, but some folks find blood of this color to be a positive and that color to be a negative--he&#039;s got both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, that&#8217;s just what I&#8217;m looking for in a leader:  &#8220;Obama’s “present” votes were Planned Parenthoods’ idea&#8221;.  Not that Hillary has shown much in the way of leadership as a Senator.</p>
<p>By the way, for all the bigots out there of all kinds, Barack Obama is actually of mixed race, with a white mother and black (African from Kenya) father.  It doesn&#8217;t really matter to me, since I&#8217;m mixed too, but some folks find blood of this color to be a positive and that color to be a negative&#8211;he&#8217;s got both.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/01/07/this-is-what-i-hate-about-politics/#comment-2890</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shorter MR: &quot;I&#039;m not going to vote for a black man because racists won&#039;t vote for a black man.&quot;

I&#039;m sure that those racists are &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; people, though.  Not the ones telling us to not vote for Obama because he&#039;s black, but the ones who . . . uh, are telling us to not vote for Obama because he&#039;s black?

Of course these things are of genuine concern, and the Dems should be thinking about how to handle the attacks now.  But they&#039;re also a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy, and hardly the way to make voting decisions.  If the polls are wrong, we&#039;ll find out soon enough, when people all across the country get into their voting booths in the next month or so, now won&#039;t we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shorter MR: &#8220;I&#8217;m not going to vote for a black man because racists won&#8217;t vote for a black man.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that those racists are <i>other</i> people, though.  Not the ones telling us to not vote for Obama because he&#8217;s black, but the ones who . . . uh, are telling us to not vote for Obama because he&#8217;s black?</p>
<p>Of course these things are of genuine concern, and the Dems should be thinking about how to handle the attacks now.  But they&#8217;re also a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy, and hardly the way to make voting decisions.  If the polls are wrong, we&#8217;ll find out soon enough, when people all across the country get into their voting booths in the next month or so, now won&#8217;t we?</p>
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		<title>By: MR</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/01/07/this-is-what-i-hate-about-politics/#comment-2889</link>
		<dc:creator>MR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember Harold Ford, the black Democrat Senate candidate in Tennessee in 2006, who polled well below what the polls said he would poll. This is called the Bradley Effect, after Tom Bradley, the black Los Angeles mayor who twice ran for Governor of California and twice lost, despite polls saying he would win. 

Voters act very differently in the privacy of the voting booth than what they tell public pollsters.

The Dems would be mad to nominate Obama: not only would the Repubs eat him alive for his total lack of experience, but white voters in the crucial states wouldn’t vote for him, regardless of what they tell the polls.

The allegation that Obama has no qualifications to be president (only a federal Senator for 3 years - compare that to JFK&#039;s 8 or Warren Harding&#039;s 6) will not be a smear, it will be a fact, and the Repubs will flog it for all it’s worth. That, on top of the Bradley Effect and the racist campaign the Repub grassroots will run, would make Obama’s job very difficult, whatever the polls say now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember Harold Ford, the black Democrat Senate candidate in Tennessee in 2006, who polled well below what the polls said he would poll. This is called the Bradley Effect, after Tom Bradley, the black Los Angeles mayor who twice ran for Governor of California and twice lost, despite polls saying he would win. </p>
<p>Voters act very differently in the privacy of the voting booth than what they tell public pollsters.</p>
<p>The Dems would be mad to nominate Obama: not only would the Repubs eat him alive for his total lack of experience, but white voters in the crucial states wouldn’t vote for him, regardless of what they tell the polls.</p>
<p>The allegation that Obama has no qualifications to be president (only a federal Senator for 3 years &#8211; compare that to JFK&#8217;s 8 or Warren Harding&#8217;s 6) will not be a smear, it will be a fact, and the Repubs will flog it for all it’s worth. That, on top of the Bradley Effect and the racist campaign the Repub grassroots will run, would make Obama’s job very difficult, whatever the polls say now.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/01/07/this-is-what-i-hate-about-politics/#comment-2888</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.  Somehow, MR, with your mentioning Obama&#039;s race twice in your attack of how he&#039;s unqualified, I have trouble taking your comment in good faith and believing that you don&#039;t like him for a reason other than -- as you so helpfully point out -- he&#039;s black.

And actually, Obama has the longest record in public office when compared to both Clinton and Edwards.  I agree with you that Obama&#039;s policies are more rhetoric than actual plans, but I do think that will change somewhat once he wins the nomination.  It also doesn&#039;t seem to be bothering the people all over the country who are placing him first in the primary polls.

You&#039;re also right that the Republicans will run a racist campaign if Obama gets the nod.  But here&#039;s a clue: the Republicans &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; run a racist campaign.  And do you think they won&#039;t run a sexist campaign if Hillary wins?  And that they won&#039;t run just a plain old dirty, deceitful campaign like they did to bring down Kerry and Gore?  Because they&#039;re all white.  There are more than enough overt racists out there -- I write about them regularly.  I also try to not make my political decisions based on what racists think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.  Somehow, MR, with your mentioning Obama&#8217;s race twice in your attack of how he&#8217;s unqualified, I have trouble taking your comment in good faith and believing that you don&#8217;t like him for a reason other than &#8212; as you so helpfully point out &#8212; he&#8217;s black.</p>
<p>And actually, Obama has the longest record in public office when compared to both Clinton and Edwards.  I agree with you that Obama&#8217;s policies are more rhetoric than actual plans, but I do think that will change somewhat once he wins the nomination.  It also doesn&#8217;t seem to be bothering the people all over the country who are placing him first in the primary polls.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re also right that the Republicans will run a racist campaign if Obama gets the nod.  But here&#8217;s a clue: the Republicans <i>always</i> run a racist campaign.  And do you think they won&#8217;t run a sexist campaign if Hillary wins?  And that they won&#8217;t run just a plain old dirty, deceitful campaign like they did to bring down Kerry and Gore?  Because they&#8217;re all white.  There are more than enough overt racists out there &#8212; I write about them regularly.  I also try to not make my political decisions based on what racists think.</p>
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		<title>By: MR</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/01/07/this-is-what-i-hate-about-politics/#comment-2887</link>
		<dc:creator>MR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 10:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama has never actually done anything. After a privileged upbringing he went from being editor of the Harvard Law Review in 1990 to the Illinois state legislature for a safe all-black district in 1996 to being elected virtually unopposed to the Senate all of three years ago. He has absolutely no record for anything except windy rhetoric of the “let’s all unite and feel good” type which some people seem to love so much. If he didn’t have the novelty value of being black he would never even have thought of running for president.

It now appears that he may well be able to beat Clinton and bluff his way to the nomination, but if he is nominated the Repubs will absolutely eat him alive, particularly if they have enough brains left to nominate McCain, a man percieved by many as having real substance and integrity and with a distinguished personal and political record. Not only will the Repubs quite legitimately be able to attack Obama for his non-existent record and experience, and for the shallowness of his policies, which are mostly just slogans, they will also run a covert racist campaign that will undermine his support everywhere except on the liberal coasts.

Given Bush’s record, the Repubs ought to be heading for a massive defeat in November, but the Dems might just have found a way to lose again - by nominating a candidate with zerocredentials to be president and massive vulnerability to the kind of dirt campaign the Repubs do so well. It’s hard to credit, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama has never actually done anything. After a privileged upbringing he went from being editor of the Harvard Law Review in 1990 to the Illinois state legislature for a safe all-black district in 1996 to being elected virtually unopposed to the Senate all of three years ago. He has absolutely no record for anything except windy rhetoric of the “let’s all unite and feel good” type which some people seem to love so much. If he didn’t have the novelty value of being black he would never even have thought of running for president.</p>
<p>It now appears that he may well be able to beat Clinton and bluff his way to the nomination, but if he is nominated the Repubs will absolutely eat him alive, particularly if they have enough brains left to nominate McCain, a man percieved by many as having real substance and integrity and with a distinguished personal and political record. Not only will the Repubs quite legitimately be able to attack Obama for his non-existent record and experience, and for the shallowness of his policies, which are mostly just slogans, they will also run a covert racist campaign that will undermine his support everywhere except on the liberal coasts.</p>
<p>Given Bush’s record, the Repubs ought to be heading for a massive defeat in November, but the Dems might just have found a way to lose again &#8211; by nominating a candidate with zerocredentials to be president and massive vulnerability to the kind of dirt campaign the Repubs do so well. It’s hard to credit, really.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/01/07/this-is-what-i-hate-about-politics/#comment-2885</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah . . . there is apparently now some debate at &lt;a href=&quot;http://feministing.com/archives/008354.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feministing&lt;/a&gt; over what Edwards meant about his remark.  Someone claims to have seen a video of it and says his comments were made in a sympathetic tone.  But they didn&#039;t post a link, and I haven&#039;t seen it posted anywhere else.  If a video does turn up, I&#039;ll let you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah . . . there is apparently now some debate at <a href="http://feministing.com/archives/008354.html" rel="nofollow">Feministing</a> over what Edwards meant about his remark.  Someone claims to have seen a video of it and says his comments were made in a sympathetic tone.  But they didn&#8217;t post a link, and I haven&#8217;t seen it posted anywhere else.  If a video does turn up, I&#8217;ll let you know.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Edwards!!!!!!!  Of all people!  Shame on him!

(and it&#039;s only January . . . !)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Edwards!!!!!!!  Of all people!  Shame on him!</p>
<p>(and it&#8217;s only January . . . !)</p>
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