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		<title>By: murielschnierow</title>
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		<dc:creator>murielschnierow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is appalling. didnt someone know or see what was goig on? why are we asleep? this pathological monster is a psychopath. lets get into these homes and make sure that the first bruise is the last bruise. letsput in volunteers for birth mothers and catch it before it starrts. i have a file of these cases. Wecan stop it.!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is appalling. didnt someone know or see what was goig on? why are we asleep? this pathological monster is a psychopath. lets get into these homes and make sure that the first bruise is the last bruise. letsput in volunteers for birth mothers and catch it before it starrts. i have a file of these cases. Wecan stop it.!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Nixzmary Brown&#8217;s Mother Sentenced to Longer Term than Girl&#8217;s Actual Killer : The Curvature</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nixzmary Brown&#8217;s Mother Sentenced to Longer Term than Girl&#8217;s Actual Killer : The Curvature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have previously written about the horrific crime that was Nixzmary Brown&#8217;s murder.  Her killer and stepfather Cesar [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Offensive Remarks of the Month: Defense Attorneys Gone Wild Edition : The Curvature</title>
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		<dc:creator>Offensive Remarks of the Month: Defense Attorneys Gone Wild Edition : The Curvature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 23:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are no excuses for this guy. The last time I wrote about a morally devoid defense attorney, many people suggested that he was being a horrible human being on purpose to hurt his client. I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chrissy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chrissy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 07:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That little girl was tortured and killed. The horror that she felt. And yes, she deserves repect. RIP
   Those arguements for the defense, don&#039;t seem to be a reason that this horrific thing happened. How can one justify this evil that occured?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That little girl was tortured and killed. The horror that she felt. And yes, she deserves repect. RIP<br />
   Those arguements for the defense, don&#8217;t seem to be a reason that this horrific thing happened. How can one justify this evil that occured?</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 01:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I don&#039;t buy it.  And quite frankly, I&#039;m getting tired of people trying to defend this guy.

This isn&#039;t all he has.  He has his perhaps bogus perhaps not strategy of blaming the mother.  He has the fact that while in this case the circumstantial evidence is pretty damning, it is circumstantial evidence.  He could try insanity, and I think that I read somewhere that the defendant was abused as a child himself.  These are all defenses.  In fact, I think that the lawyer has indeed used most of them.  But he still feels the need to throw this victim-blaming shit in.  He could have also tried to talk his client into a plea bargain (and maybe he did, I don&#039;t know), seeing as how the guy is pretty damn certain to be convicted, anyway.  There&#039;s absolutely no reason to blame a little girl for the abuse that she suffered at the hands of her stepfather.  None.  It&#039;s wrong, it&#039;s disgusting, and no, it&#039;s not necessary.

We have &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/02/08/child.slain.ap/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;other defense attorneys&lt;/a&gt; who are calling this kind of behavior disgusting.  I imagine that they their opinion would hold more weight than my own.

It is up to a jury to do justice, though I think &lt;a href=&quot;http://thecurvature.com/2008/02/12/in-a-rape-culture-the-man-is-never-to-blame/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;we&#039;ve seen recently&lt;/a&gt; that this method isn&#039;t the best when juries are so easy to manipulate and are often not given adequate instructions.  But it is a lawyer&#039;s job to behave in an ethical manner.  A big part of that is to defend one&#039;s client to the best of your ability.  It&#039;s not the only part.

People seem much happier to jump on &lt;a href=&quot;http://thecurvature.com/2007/05/24/if-youre-fat-its-not-really-rape/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;defense attorneys who claim that fat women should see rape as a compliment&lt;/a&gt;, or defense attorneys who try to characterize &lt;a href=&quot;http://thecurvature.com/2007/05/26/another-horrible-story-of-rape/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a raped woman&#039;s cries of pain as moans of pleasure&lt;/a&gt;.  How is this different, and how is it just as bad if not worse?

This little girl got absolutely no respect in life.  I do think that as the society who failed her, we do at least owe her some respect at her damn murder trial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I don&#8217;t buy it.  And quite frankly, I&#8217;m getting tired of people trying to defend this guy.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t all he has.  He has his perhaps bogus perhaps not strategy of blaming the mother.  He has the fact that while in this case the circumstantial evidence is pretty damning, it is circumstantial evidence.  He could try insanity, and I think that I read somewhere that the defendant was abused as a child himself.  These are all defenses.  In fact, I think that the lawyer has indeed used most of them.  But he still feels the need to throw this victim-blaming shit in.  He could have also tried to talk his client into a plea bargain (and maybe he did, I don&#8217;t know), seeing as how the guy is pretty damn certain to be convicted, anyway.  There&#8217;s absolutely no reason to blame a little girl for the abuse that she suffered at the hands of her stepfather.  None.  It&#8217;s wrong, it&#8217;s disgusting, and no, it&#8217;s not necessary.</p>
<p>We have <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/02/08/child.slain.ap/index.html" rel="nofollow">other defense attorneys</a> who are calling this kind of behavior disgusting.  I imagine that they their opinion would hold more weight than my own.</p>
<p>It is up to a jury to do justice, though I think <a href="http://thecurvature.com/2008/02/12/in-a-rape-culture-the-man-is-never-to-blame/" rel="nofollow">we&#8217;ve seen recently</a> that this method isn&#8217;t the best when juries are so easy to manipulate and are often not given adequate instructions.  But it is a lawyer&#8217;s job to behave in an ethical manner.  A big part of that is to defend one&#8217;s client to the best of your ability.  It&#8217;s not the only part.</p>
<p>People seem much happier to jump on <a href="http://thecurvature.com/2007/05/24/if-youre-fat-its-not-really-rape/" rel="nofollow">defense attorneys who claim that fat women should see rape as a compliment</a>, or defense attorneys who try to characterize <a href="http://thecurvature.com/2007/05/26/another-horrible-story-of-rape/" rel="nofollow">a raped woman&#8217;s cries of pain as moans of pleasure</a>.  How is this different, and how is it just as bad if not worse?</p>
<p>This little girl got absolutely no respect in life.  I do think that as the society who failed her, we do at least owe her some respect at her damn murder trial.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, sometimes, you don&#039;t have a winning argument.  You still have to make an argument.  It is up to the jury to do justice.  It is up to the lawyer to defend his client with whatever he&#039;s got.  This is all he&#039;s got.  

And this is the same guy who&#039;s going to defend women who respond with violence to their long time abusers, who are caught up in their boyfriend&#039;s drug scheme and end up with federal charges with a 10 year mandatory minimum, who are charged with child abuse/neglect for failing to leave an abusive relationship.  Criminal defense attorneys don&#039;t cherry pick their clients (unless they work for non-profits and do cherry pick their clients).  And we should all be grateful for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, sometimes, you don&#8217;t have a winning argument.  You still have to make an argument.  It is up to the jury to do justice.  It is up to the lawyer to defend his client with whatever he&#8217;s got.  This is all he&#8217;s got.  </p>
<p>And this is the same guy who&#8217;s going to defend women who respond with violence to their long time abusers, who are caught up in their boyfriend&#8217;s drug scheme and end up with federal charges with a 10 year mandatory minimum, who are charged with child abuse/neglect for failing to leave an abusive relationship.  Criminal defense attorneys don&#8217;t cherry pick their clients (unless they work for non-profits and do cherry pick their clients).  And we should all be grateful for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.  By lashing out, though, I didn&#039;t mean taking the yogurt from the fridge by any means -- I meant the accusations that she was violent and terrorized her younger siblings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  By lashing out, though, I didn&#8217;t mean taking the yogurt from the fridge by any means &#8212; I meant the accusations that she was violent and terrorized her younger siblings.</p>
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		<title>By: wiggles</title>
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		<dc:creator>wiggles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;what person could exist in those conditions and stay sane? Either you withdraw completely, or you lash out violently. This child — a seven-year-old girl — ended up lashing out.&quot;

I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s the case that she lashed out, though obviously I wouldn&#039;t blame her if she had. What I understand is that she managed to snag a cup of yogurt out of the fridge - probably having a good idea what fresh hell she&#039;d catch for it if she was caught - because she was starving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;what person could exist in those conditions and stay sane? Either you withdraw completely, or you lash out violently. This child — a seven-year-old girl — ended up lashing out.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s the case that she lashed out, though obviously I wouldn&#8217;t blame her if she had. What I understand is that she managed to snag a cup of yogurt out of the fridge &#8211; probably having a good idea what fresh hell she&#8217;d catch for it if she was caught &#8211; because she was starving.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm...Here&#039;s a question.  What dumbass would make this argument?  It&#039;s nonsensical.  You&#039;re making the jury angry.  It seems as if there is some evidence that the Mom actually committed the murder.  You&#039;re more likely to succeed with the argument that &quot;my client is an abusive asshat, but not a murder.&quot;  This argument just makes me so mad that I don&#039;t &lt;i&gt;care&lt;/i&gt; whether he committed the murder I want to stuff his ass in jail until the end of time.

So, imagine if you&#039;re a defense attorney, a public defender who is required to defend this horrific person, and you know he didn&#039;t commit murder, but in your own personal opinion you think he&#039;s as guilty as someone who did.  You know you can probably get him off (cause we don&#039;t convict child abusers), but you really don&#039;t want to.  And he won&#039;t take a plea.  This might just be the type of argument you&#039;d make.  There is no way anyone would ever accuse you of failing to zealously defend you client, but he still gets convicted.

*sigh* This is why I would &lt;i&gt;never be a criminal attorney.  I&#039;d end up turning over my license in less than a year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;Here&#8217;s a question.  What dumbass would make this argument?  It&#8217;s nonsensical.  You&#8217;re making the jury angry.  It seems as if there is some evidence that the Mom actually committed the murder.  You&#8217;re more likely to succeed with the argument that &#8220;my client is an abusive asshat, but not a murder.&#8221;  This argument just makes me so mad that I don&#8217;t <i>care</i> whether he committed the murder I want to stuff his ass in jail until the end of time.</p>
<p>So, imagine if you&#8217;re a defense attorney, a public defender who is required to defend this horrific person, and you know he didn&#8217;t commit murder, but in your own personal opinion you think he&#8217;s as guilty as someone who did.  You know you can probably get him off (cause we don&#8217;t convict child abusers), but you really don&#8217;t want to.  And he won&#8217;t take a plea.  This might just be the type of argument you&#8217;d make.  There is no way anyone would ever accuse you of failing to zealously defend you client, but he still gets convicted.</p>
<p>*sigh* This is why I would <i>never be a criminal attorney.  I&#8217;d end up turning over my license in less than a year.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Bristol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan Bristol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t begin to imagine anyone making a presentation like this. Moreso, that anyone would select this tactic as a &#039;winner&#039;. The sheer pathological hatred of these individuals is horrifying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t begin to imagine anyone making a presentation like this. Moreso, that anyone would select this tactic as a &#8216;winner&#8217;. The sheer pathological hatred of these individuals is horrifying.</p>
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