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		<title>By: Real Sex Education Gets a Chance : The Curvature</title>
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		<dc:creator>Real Sex Education Gets a Chance : The Curvature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] up and down* This is what I&#8217;ve been suggesting!  For so long!  It&#8217;s the kind of sex education I&#8217;ve written about extensively here, and in my essay for Yes Means Yes.  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] up and down* This is what I&#8217;ve been suggesting!  For so long!  It&#8217;s the kind of sex education I&#8217;ve written about extensively here, and in my essay for Yes Means Yes.  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Not In My Shower&#8221; : The Curvature</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/01/18/because-if-you-dont-teach-kids-about-sex-theyll-never-figure-it-out-on-their-own/#comment-6741</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;Not In My Shower&#8221; : The Curvature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been so successful in the past &#8212; interestingly enough, they&#8217;re the same asshats who tried to change Montgomery County sex education curriculum to remove material about how homosexuality is natural just like heterosexuality.  Clearly, these [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] been so successful in the past &#8212; interestingly enough, they&#8217;re the same asshats who tried to change Montgomery County sex education curriculum to remove material about how homosexuality is natural just like heterosexuality.  Clearly, these [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 13:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While it&#039;s possible that you mean that the most sex-positive among us really ought to be in classrooms as sex educators, I feel more like that&#039;s supposed to be a challenge &quot;put your money where your mouth is&quot; kind of thing.  In which case, I have to say:

1. I&#039;m not a teacher
2. I work part-time for Planned Parenthood, and write sex educational pieces on a regular basis.
3. I don&#039;t actually work in the education department or do any kind of teaching in a classroom setting.  But I&#039;d be happy to move to that department.
4. I&#039;m not a teacher because I don&#039;t like teaching and have extremely little patience.  If I was an English teacher, I&#039;d probably make kids cry with my marking up of their essays.  But teaching sex ed would be a markedly different experience. So yeah, I imagine that if I ever was going to teach anything, sex education would probably be my pick, and would have the highest chance of my excelling at it.
5. But this is kind of a silly conversation, though.  Because when people complain about teaching standards for any other subject, no one makes the ridiculous &quot;why don&#039;t &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; teach it?&quot; argument.  Because the high school lessons that you&#039;re most likely to apply in the real world are apparently the ones that we have a right to feel most resentful about providing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it&#8217;s possible that you mean that the most sex-positive among us really ought to be in classrooms as sex educators, I feel more like that&#8217;s supposed to be a challenge &#8220;put your money where your mouth is&#8221; kind of thing.  In which case, I have to say:</p>
<p>1. I&#8217;m not a teacher<br />
2. I work part-time for Planned Parenthood, and write sex educational pieces on a regular basis.<br />
3. I don&#8217;t actually work in the education department or do any kind of teaching in a classroom setting.  But I&#8217;d be happy to move to that department.<br />
4. I&#8217;m not a teacher because I don&#8217;t like teaching and have extremely little patience.  If I was an English teacher, I&#8217;d probably make kids cry with my marking up of their essays.  But teaching sex ed would be a markedly different experience. So yeah, I imagine that if I ever was going to teach anything, sex education would probably be my pick, and would have the highest chance of my excelling at it.<br />
5. But this is kind of a silly conversation, though.  Because when people complain about teaching standards for any other subject, no one makes the ridiculous &#8220;why don&#8217;t <i>you</i> teach it?&#8221; argument.  Because the high school lessons that you&#8217;re most likely to apply in the real world are apparently the ones that we have a right to feel most resentful about providing.</p>
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		<title>By: arceus</title>
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		<dc:creator>arceus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 09:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why won&#039;t yall teach kids how to have sex?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why won&#8217;t yall teach kids how to have sex?</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely agree, Violet.  Given those skills, I could have saved myself a lot of pain (emotional and physical) and probably gotten out of a sexually abusive relationship as a teenager a lot earlier than I did.  And I somehow doubt that I&#039;m the only one.  We&#039;re taught that there is &quot;yes&quot; and there is &quot;no,&quot; and absolutely no option to say yes to some things and no to others.

As for the &quot;real men or women don&#039;t ask&quot; thing, yes, your description is of course the official meaning behind the phrase.  But I don&#039;t find the horrendous wording to be just an unfortunate mistake, either.  They don&#039;t WANT people to talk about sex, because like you said, talking gives people power.  &lt;i&gt;Asking&lt;/i&gt; your partner if they want to have sex instead of just assuming that they do or not giving a shit either way is something we need to be adamantly encouraging.  But the anti-choice/sex crowd knows that asking a person if they want to have sex gives the person the opportunity to say &quot;yes.&quot;  I don&#039;t think I&#039;m at all exaggerating when I say that the programs they run and the materials they produce show they are more than willing to uphold rape culture in pursuit of their goal to make everyone terrified of and embarassed about sex.  This is just one of many examples.  Another would be all of the scary possession language surrounding the &quot;save your self for your husband&quot; and &quot;give your virginity as a gift to your husband&quot; rhetoric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely agree, Violet.  Given those skills, I could have saved myself a lot of pain (emotional and physical) and probably gotten out of a sexually abusive relationship as a teenager a lot earlier than I did.  And I somehow doubt that I&#8217;m the only one.  We&#8217;re taught that there is &#8220;yes&#8221; and there is &#8220;no,&#8221; and absolutely no option to say yes to some things and no to others.</p>
<p>As for the &#8220;real men or women don&#8217;t ask&#8221; thing, yes, your description is of course the official meaning behind the phrase.  But I don&#8217;t find the horrendous wording to be just an unfortunate mistake, either.  They don&#8217;t WANT people to talk about sex, because like you said, talking gives people power.  <i>Asking</i> your partner if they want to have sex instead of just assuming that they do or not giving a shit either way is something we need to be adamantly encouraging.  But the anti-choice/sex crowd knows that asking a person if they want to have sex gives the person the opportunity to say &#8220;yes.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m at all exaggerating when I say that the programs they run and the materials they produce show they are more than willing to uphold rape culture in pursuit of their goal to make everyone terrified of and embarassed about sex.  This is just one of many examples.  Another would be all of the scary possession language surrounding the &#8220;save your self for your husband&#8221; and &#8220;give your virginity as a gift to your husband&#8221; rhetoric.</p>
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		<title>By: Violet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Violet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But most disturbing of all is #14: “Real men or women don’t even ask.” That’s just fucking awesome. “Kids, don’t have sex before you enter into a chaste and god-approved heterosexual marriage. But if you do have sex, make sure that it’s rape.”&quot;

Of course,  the real meaning is that Real Men and Women (TM) don&#039;t ask because they respect their dates too much to want to have sex with them, but it&#039;s a good point. One of the most damaging things these programs do (in my opinion, from the research I&#039;ve done) is deprive adolescents of the opportunity to get comfortable with talking about sex in any way other than saying &quot;no&quot; to it. Adolescents need to find their own voice so that they can articulate what they are and are not comfortable with, and what they require from their partner (like, condoms and lube and such). It does not help to give them what you want them to say, or give them an assignment where they can come up with their own version of what you want them to say. Having your own voice and being able to use it is power. (The characters on Buffy the Vampire Slayer were a great example of this. How I miss that show . . .)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But most disturbing of all is #14: “Real men or women don’t even ask.” That’s just fucking awesome. “Kids, don’t have sex before you enter into a chaste and god-approved heterosexual marriage. But if you do have sex, make sure that it’s rape.”&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course,  the real meaning is that Real Men and Women (TM) don&#8217;t ask because they respect their dates too much to want to have sex with them, but it&#8217;s a good point. One of the most damaging things these programs do (in my opinion, from the research I&#8217;ve done) is deprive adolescents of the opportunity to get comfortable with talking about sex in any way other than saying &#8220;no&#8221; to it. Adolescents need to find their own voice so that they can articulate what they are and are not comfortable with, and what they require from their partner (like, condoms and lube and such). It does not help to give them what you want them to say, or give them an assignment where they can come up with their own version of what you want them to say. Having your own voice and being able to use it is power. (The characters on Buffy the Vampire Slayer were a great example of this. How I miss that show . . .)</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something similar from Tasmania - http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23071533-1244,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something similar from Tasmania &#8211; <a href="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23071533-1244,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23071533-1244,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I found that first chart to be utterly hilarious (I never knew that men get aroused from &quot;necking,&quot; but women can only get aroused later on from &quot;petting&quot;).  And then, I found &lt;a href=&quot;http://picasaweb.google.com/anna.faherty/Artwork/photo#5083958341705580578&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt; to be utterly disturbing.  Sex is dirty (like germs), will ruin your reputation, is wholly separate from you as a person (&quot;I want to make sure that you like me for me?&quot;  Because when you&#039;re having sex, you&#039;re . . . who, exactly?), and about vanity and shame (&quot;I look better with my clothes on&quot;).  

But most disturbing of all is #14: &quot;Real men or women don&#039;t even ask.&quot;  That&#039;s just fucking awesome.  &quot;Kids, don&#039;t have sex before you enter into a chaste and god-approved heterosexual marriage.  But if you &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; have sex, make sure that it&#039;s rape.&quot;

It&#039;s a good thing I&#039;m home alone right now, because I really feel like punching someone.  Anyone else need a drink?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I found that first chart to be utterly hilarious (I never knew that men get aroused from &#8220;necking,&#8221; but women can only get aroused later on from &#8220;petting&#8221;).  And then, I found <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/anna.faherty/Artwork/photo#5083958341705580578" rel="nofollow">this one</a> to be utterly disturbing.  Sex is dirty (like germs), will ruin your reputation, is wholly separate from you as a person (&#8220;I want to make sure that you like me for me?&#8221;  Because when you&#8217;re having sex, you&#8217;re . . . who, exactly?), and about vanity and shame (&#8220;I look better with my clothes on&#8221;).  </p>
<p>But most disturbing of all is #14: &#8220;Real men or women don&#8217;t even ask.&#8221;  That&#8217;s just fucking awesome.  &#8220;Kids, don&#8217;t have sex before you enter into a chaste and god-approved heterosexual marriage.  But if you <i>do</i> have sex, make sure that it&#8217;s rape.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a good thing I&#8217;m home alone right now, because I really feel like punching someone.  Anyone else need a drink?</p>
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		<title>By: Violet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Violet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s my understanding that oral and anal sex are only around because some deviant pervert came up with the practices long ago, and then the homosexual lobby and Planned Parenthood kept them alive for centuries through the distribution of pamphlets.&quot;

Cara, you crack me up. Which is especially good since this is one of those things that normally makes me want to punch the wall. It&#039;s not just this issue. It&#039;s the fact that they can run around screaming &quot;NOT FACTUAL!&quot; When the curricula that they support are just a notch below dystopian science fiction. Click my name for my picasa site, which has my artwork relating to Abstinence-Only programs. And recently I&#039;ve been going through my notes looking for what I want to do next, and I found this gem of a quote: &quot;When you are not married, you&#039;re not a family yet - so, don&#039;t start family planning.&quot; (Don&#039;t think about that too long or it could cause brain damage.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s my understanding that oral and anal sex are only around because some deviant pervert came up with the practices long ago, and then the homosexual lobby and Planned Parenthood kept them alive for centuries through the distribution of pamphlets.&#8221;</p>
<p>Cara, you crack me up. Which is especially good since this is one of those things that normally makes me want to punch the wall. It&#8217;s not just this issue. It&#8217;s the fact that they can run around screaming &#8220;NOT FACTUAL!&#8221; When the curricula that they support are just a notch below dystopian science fiction. Click my name for my picasa site, which has my artwork relating to Abstinence-Only programs. And recently I&#8217;ve been going through my notes looking for what I want to do next, and I found this gem of a quote: &#8220;When you are not married, you&#8217;re not a family yet &#8211; so, don&#8217;t start family planning.&#8221; (Don&#8217;t think about that too long or it could cause brain damage.)</p>
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		<title>By: brandann</title>
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		<dc:creator>brandann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the problem w/ the religious zealots is that they seem to think that if they shield their offspring from things that they are protecting them.  they don&#039;t have the common sense to realize that if they actually &lt;i&gt;bothered&lt;/i&gt; to talk to their kids about things like homosexuality and oral and anal sex they could actually tell them their feelings about them.  not that that is any better, but at least they would give the kid an idea about what is actually out there when they leave the sanctuary of home. beyond that for some reason it is too much to ask to make sure kids have facts free from judgement.   like sending a soldier into combat w/o a weapon they are sending a generation of young adults into the &quot;real world&quot; unprepared for the dangers posed by these behaviors that they find objectionable.  while you and i see them as perfectly normal parts of love and sexuality for a whole section of people, these kids start to see it as the types of things that cause infections, diseases, etc...b/c they never knew enough to be protected.  this kind of sheltering does more harm than good.  hope i made some kind of coherent thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the problem w/ the religious zealots is that they seem to think that if they shield their offspring from things that they are protecting them.  they don&#8217;t have the common sense to realize that if they actually <i>bothered</i> to talk to their kids about things like homosexuality and oral and anal sex they could actually tell them their feelings about them.  not that that is any better, but at least they would give the kid an idea about what is actually out there when they leave the sanctuary of home. beyond that for some reason it is too much to ask to make sure kids have facts free from judgement.   like sending a soldier into combat w/o a weapon they are sending a generation of young adults into the &#8220;real world&#8221; unprepared for the dangers posed by these behaviors that they find objectionable.  while you and i see them as perfectly normal parts of love and sexuality for a whole section of people, these kids start to see it as the types of things that cause infections, diseases, etc&#8230;b/c they never knew enough to be protected.  this kind of sheltering does more harm than good.  hope i made some kind of coherent thought.</p>
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