Comments on: In a rape culture, the man is never to blame http://thecurvature.com/2008/02/12/in-a-rape-culture-the-man-is-never-to-blame/ Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:23:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Mango http://thecurvature.com/2008/02/12/in-a-rape-culture-the-man-is-never-to-blame/#comment-11159 Mango Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:03:03 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2008/02/12/in-a-rape-culture-the-man-is-never-to-blame/#comment-11159 Just Stumbled on this... That's sick! =( This is a really depressing world that we live in. And the sad thing is, people still say that the US is one of the best countries to live in, and the worst thing is? They might be right. =/ Just Stumbled on this… That’s sick! =( This is a really depressing world that we live in. And the sad thing is, people still say that the US is one of the best countries to live in, and the worst thing is? They might be right. =/

]]> By: Rape myths, rape myth acceptance, and community perceptions of victims of sexual violence — Hoyden About Town http://thecurvature.com/2008/02/12/in-a-rape-culture-the-man-is-never-to-blame/#comment-10993 Rape myths, rape myth acceptance, and community perceptions of victims of sexual violence — Hoyden About Town Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:21:02 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2008/02/12/in-a-rape-culture-the-man-is-never-to-blame/#comment-10993 [...] guy admitted to sexual assault but got off anyway because he didn’t really mean it or somethin... [...] [...] guy admitted to sexual assault but got off anyway because he didn’t really mean it or somethin… [...]

]]> By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2008/02/12/in-a-rape-culture-the-man-is-never-to-blame/#comment-3468 Cara Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:50:34 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2008/02/12/in-a-rape-culture-the-man-is-never-to-blame/#comment-3468 Thordora, sometimes I honestly don't know. Though I'm certainly not going to begrudge people for giving my blog free promotion, whenever one of my posts gets outside of the liberal/feminist blogosphere -- and they're usually posts about rape, for some reason -- it can be hard. The sad thing is that I've deleted comments worse than what is here. A lot worse, actually. One person flat out said "she was probably dressed like a slut" and then went on to say how women who dress "like sluts" deserve to be raped and no sympathy should be felt for them. It stays with you, to say the least. That comment kept me up the other night. Thordora, sometimes I honestly don’t know. Though I’m certainly not going to begrudge people for giving my blog free promotion, whenever one of my posts gets outside of the liberal/feminist blogosphere — and they’re usually posts about rape, for some reason — it can be hard. The sad thing is that I’ve deleted comments worse than what is here. A lot worse, actually. One person flat out said “she was probably dressed like a slut” and then went on to say how women who dress “like sluts” deserve to be raped and no sympathy should be felt for them. It stays with you, to say the least. That comment kept me up the other night.

]]> By: thordora. http://thecurvature.com/2008/02/12/in-a-rape-culture-the-man-is-never-to-blame/#comment-3467 thordora. Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:39:59 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2008/02/12/in-a-rape-culture-the-man-is-never-to-blame/#comment-3467 so.....badfrog, if he lost his erection, does that count too? jebbus.... Cara, how do you do this all day? so…..badfrog, if he lost his erection, does that count too? jebbus….

Cara, how do you do this all day?

]]> By: konstanze http://thecurvature.com/2008/02/12/in-a-rape-culture-the-man-is-never-to-blame/#comment-3461 konstanze Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:38:13 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2008/02/12/in-a-rape-culture-the-man-is-never-to-blame/#comment-3461 <blockquote>If I understand what happened properly, she said no, and after a few tries to see if she was serious, he stopped.</blockquote> Why wouldn't he have believed she was serious? Because "no" only means "no" when he's <i>absolutely sure</i>? And cry me a river, no one's going to invite him over to play anymore. I'm sure the victim feels really great about that.

If I understand what happened properly, she said no, and after a few tries to see if she was serious, he stopped.

Why wouldn’t he have believed she was serious? Because “no” only means “no” when he’s absolutely sure? And cry me a river, no one’s going to invite him over to play anymore. I’m sure the victim feels really great about that.

]]> By: jovan byars http://thecurvature.com/2008/02/12/in-a-rape-culture-the-man-is-never-to-blame/#comment-3455 jovan byars Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:36:54 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2008/02/12/in-a-rape-culture-the-man-is-never-to-blame/#comment-3455 There should be a tag called <b>jurors gone crazy</b>, because 12 misogynist jurors acquitted Mr. Brown of a crime <i>he actually confessed to committing</i>. He CONFESSED to raping this woman some 36 or 37 years his junior. Hell, I would go as far as calling it molestation as well due to the age difference between the man and the vic. Outcomes like this is why I believe we should have double jeopardy. I am livid that Mr. Brown can never again be tried for a rape he confessed to. There should be a tag called jurors gone crazy, because 12 misogynist jurors acquitted Mr. Brown of a crime he actually confessed to committing. He CONFESSED to raping this woman some 36 or 37 years his junior. Hell, I would go as far as calling it molestation as well due to the age difference between the man and the vic.

Outcomes like this is why I believe we should have double jeopardy. I am livid that Mr. Brown can never again be tried for a rape he confessed to.

]]> By: Roy http://thecurvature.com/2008/02/12/in-a-rape-culture-the-man-is-never-to-blame/#comment-3450 Roy Thu, 14 Feb 2008 03:58:50 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2008/02/12/in-a-rape-culture-the-man-is-never-to-blame/#comment-3450 <b>If I understand what happened properly, she said no, and after a few tries to see if she was serious, he stopped. That makes him a creep, but he’s not a rapist.</b> No, see, when you "try to see if she was serious" using physical force- like, say, pushing her head towards your lap- that's sexual assault. Because, you know, she <I>already refused consent</i>. If someone refuses consent, you don't get to "try to see if she's serious" about that through physical force. If I understand what happened properly, she said no, and after a few tries to see if she was serious, he stopped. That makes him a creep, but he’s not a rapist.

No, see, when you “try to see if she was serious” using physical force- like, say, pushing her head towards your lap- that’s sexual assault. Because, you know, she already refused consent. If someone refuses consent, you don’t get to “try to see if she’s serious” about that through physical force.

]]> By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2008/02/12/in-a-rape-culture-the-man-is-never-to-blame/#comment-3448 Cara Thu, 14 Feb 2008 02:05:01 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2008/02/12/in-a-rape-culture-the-man-is-never-to-blame/#comment-3448 <i>As a former police officer, I do not believe that Brown LEGALLY committed the crime he was accused of, primarily because he stopped of his own accord. He was not stopped by anything other than his conscience and her pleas. If an outside force had stopped him, then he would have been guilty of attempted rape.</i> That makes absolutely no sense. Attempting to rape someone, failing and then giving up doesn't erase the attempt. The fact that he's a relatively non-persistent attempted rapist doesn't make him not an attempted rapist. If someone else stopped him at that same exact moment, how the hell would it have changed anything? The same actions were committed and an outside source is totally irrelevant, except for the fact that it would have been a great benefit to have another witness. As a former police officer, I do not believe that Brown LEGALLY committed the crime he was accused of, primarily because he stopped of his own accord. He was not stopped by anything other than his conscience and her pleas. If an outside force had stopped him, then he would have been guilty of attempted rape.

That makes absolutely no sense. Attempting to rape someone, failing and then giving up doesn’t erase the attempt. The fact that he’s a relatively non-persistent attempted rapist doesn’t make him not an attempted rapist. If someone else stopped him at that same exact moment, how the hell would it have changed anything? The same actions were committed and an outside source is totally irrelevant, except for the fact that it would have been a great benefit to have another witness.

]]> By: badfrog http://thecurvature.com/2008/02/12/in-a-rape-culture-the-man-is-never-to-blame/#comment-3447 badfrog Thu, 14 Feb 2008 01:57:56 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2008/02/12/in-a-rape-culture-the-man-is-never-to-blame/#comment-3447 As a former police officer, I do not believe that Brown LEGALLY committed the crime he was accused of, primarily because he stopped of his own accord. He was not stopped by anything other than his conscience and her pleas. If an outside force had stopped him, then he would have been guilty of attempted rape. He is probably guilty of something along the lines of indecent exposure, attempted sexual contact, and may well be guilty of the stated fourth degree misdemeanor, but we can't see how the law is written. Because the prosecutor swung for the home run, he can't be prosecuted again, either. He is also guilty of being a first class jerk, and the whole town of Jackson knows it. He has stopped getting invitations to the best parties, and won't be elected again; he will be snubbed on the streets by much of the town, which is no small punishment in a rural district. If I understand what happened properly, she said no, and after a few tries to see if she was serious, he stopped. That makes him a creep, but he's not a rapist. As a former police officer, I do not believe that Brown LEGALLY committed the crime he was accused of, primarily because he stopped of his own accord. He was not stopped by anything other than his conscience and her pleas. If an outside force had stopped him, then he would have been guilty of attempted rape.

He is probably guilty of something along the lines of indecent exposure, attempted sexual contact, and may well be guilty of the stated fourth degree misdemeanor, but we can’t see how the law is written. Because the prosecutor swung for the home run, he can’t be prosecuted again, either.

He is also guilty of being a first class jerk, and the whole town of Jackson knows it. He has stopped getting invitations to the best parties, and won’t be elected again; he will be snubbed on the streets by much of the town, which is no small punishment in a rural district.

If I understand what happened properly, she said no, and after a few tries to see if she was serious, he stopped. That makes him a creep, but he’s not a rapist.

]]> By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2008/02/12/in-a-rape-culture-the-man-is-never-to-blame/#comment-3440 Cara Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:31:44 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2008/02/12/in-a-rape-culture-the-man-is-never-to-blame/#comment-3440 <i>Well, it’d be attempted sexual assault, but wev.</i> Forced oral penetration is rape. It may not be in this particular statute. But many laws do call it rape. And it is rape. But no, I have certainly not ruled out the possibility that there is a problem with the law. Well, it’d be attempted sexual assault, but wev.

Forced oral penetration is rape. It may not be in this particular statute. But many laws do call it rape. And it is rape.

But no, I have certainly not ruled out the possibility that there is a problem with the law.

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