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		<title>By: Rape myths, rape myth acceptance, and community perceptions of victims of sexual violence &#8212; Hoyden About Town</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/03/27/significant-numbers-of-irish-blame-women-for-rape/#comment-11014</link>
		<dc:creator>Rape myths, rape myth acceptance, and community perceptions of victims of sexual violence &#8212; Hoyden About Town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] disturbing results of a survey on Irish victim-blaming [...]</description>
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		<title>By: konstanze</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/03/27/significant-numbers-of-irish-blame-women-for-rape/#comment-4034</link>
		<dc:creator>konstanze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Across all age groups and demographics people believed 26% of men who are reported as rapists go on to be to be convicted. Official statistics for 2006 show less than 10% of Garda reports led to a somebody being declared guilty — one third of those surveyed by Red C guessed this correctly.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I wonder if they asked specifically about false convictions. Perceptions tend to be pretty inflated in this area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Across all age groups and demographics people believed 26% of men who are reported as rapists go on to be to be convicted. Official statistics for 2006 show less than 10% of Garda reports led to a somebody being declared guilty — one third of those surveyed by Red C guessed this correctly.</p></blockquote>
<p>I wonder if they asked specifically about false convictions. Perceptions tend to be pretty inflated in this area.</p>
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		<title>By: judgesnineteen</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/03/27/significant-numbers-of-irish-blame-women-for-rape/#comment-4022</link>
		<dc:creator>judgesnineteen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Women are not immune to the social messages that say women are less than human or ‘other’; they just know that it doesn’t apply to them personally.&quot;

I completely agree.  That&#039;s how I explain all these female anti-feminists to myself: they don&#039;t think they&#039;re talking about themselves when they talk about how horrible women are.  The rest of your argument, more specifically about rape, makes a lot of sense, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Women are not immune to the social messages that say women are less than human or ‘other’; they just know that it doesn’t apply to them personally.&#8221;</p>
<p>I completely agree.  That&#8217;s how I explain all these female anti-feminists to myself: they don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re talking about themselves when they talk about how horrible women are.  The rest of your argument, more specifically about rape, makes a lot of sense, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Thaedydal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thaedydal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhojeygbcwsn/
http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0326/rape.html

Ireland never had the swinging 60s or 70s due to the strangle hold the catholic church has had on this country.

Contraception was not legal until 1985.
http://www.ifpa.ie/about/hist2.html

http://thaed.journals.ie/2007/08/03/new-rape-figures-released/
Is a bit I wrote about the rates of reported assualt and the sicking lack of prosecution in Ireland where I live.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhcwkfidojmh/</description>
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<a href="http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0326/rape.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0326/rape.html</a></p>
<p>Ireland never had the swinging 60s or 70s due to the strangle hold the catholic church has had on this country.</p>
<p>Contraception was not legal until 1985.<br />
<a href="http://www.ifpa.ie/about/hist2.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ifpa.ie/about/hist2.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://thaed.journals.ie/2007/08/03/new-rape-figures-released/" rel="nofollow">http://thaed.journals.ie/2007/08/03/new-rape-figures-released/</a><br />
Is a bit I wrote about the rates of reported assualt and the sicking lack of prosecution in Ireland where I live.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhcwkfidojmh/" rel="nofollow">http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhcwkfidojmh/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Feminist Avatar</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/03/27/significant-numbers-of-irish-blame-women-for-rape/#comment-4020</link>
		<dc:creator>Feminist Avatar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that women often blame rape victims, because that means that rape is something that can be controlled. It is a scary realisation to think that you cannot control whether or not some man chooses to have sex with you. For many women&#039;s peace of mind, they would rather hold onto an idea that that sort of thing happens to &#039;other&#039; people; people who then need to be defined. 

I think this is more pronounced amongst young people, and especially young girls, because they have not yet faced lesser forms of discrimination based on their gender that make them realise that the world doesn&#039;t distinguish them from other women. Women are not immune to the social messages that say women are less than human or &#039;other&#039;; they just know that it doesn&#039;t apply to them personally. To realise that in the eyes of the world you are just a woman like all those other women who you make such an effort to define yourself in opposition to is quite scary, and perhaps not something that happens when you are young.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that women often blame rape victims, because that means that rape is something that can be controlled. It is a scary realisation to think that you cannot control whether or not some man chooses to have sex with you. For many women&#8217;s peace of mind, they would rather hold onto an idea that that sort of thing happens to &#8216;other&#8217; people; people who then need to be defined. </p>
<p>I think this is more pronounced amongst young people, and especially young girls, because they have not yet faced lesser forms of discrimination based on their gender that make them realise that the world doesn&#8217;t distinguish them from other women. Women are not immune to the social messages that say women are less than human or &#8216;other&#8217;; they just know that it doesn&#8217;t apply to them personally. To realise that in the eyes of the world you are just a woman like all those other women who you make such an effort to define yourself in opposition to is quite scary, and perhaps not something that happens when you are young.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My cousin Michelle said this when talking to me about something else:

&quot;A lot (and remember people often under-report their more odious views in surveys) of victim blamers and rape apologists are female sadly enough. Also, verbal abuse and even physical abuse knows no gender boundaries and females can be and become the worst bullies that even in your wildest dreams you could not possibly conceive. The movies &#039;Heathers&#039; and &#039;Mean Girls&#039; are not that far removed from real life.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My cousin Michelle said this when talking to me about something else:</p>
<p>&#8220;A lot (and remember people often under-report their more odious views in surveys) of victim blamers and rape apologists are female sadly enough. Also, verbal abuse and even physical abuse knows no gender boundaries and females can be and become the worst bullies that even in your wildest dreams you could not possibly conceive. The movies &#8216;Heathers&#8217; and &#8216;Mean Girls&#8217; are not that far removed from real life.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Cara, I saw this on another website (which you contributed to for a short stint) and wondered what your take on it would be. 

I&#039;m Irish, been here all my life, and I&#039;m really surprised with these results. I don&#039;t think the Irish are angles by any stretch, but there is a very big gap between the older and younger generations. The fact that the younger under 25&#039;s victim blame is jaw dropping to me. 

I can only say we are hopefully in a state of transition and we are leaving this behind, but here we have alot of things going for us (no creationism in schools, I had a decent sex ed, and similar). So hopefully the positives out wiegh the negatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Cara, I saw this on another website (which you contributed to for a short stint) and wondered what your take on it would be. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m Irish, been here all my life, and I&#8217;m really surprised with these results. I don&#8217;t think the Irish are angles by any stretch, but there is a very big gap between the older and younger generations. The fact that the younger under 25&#8217;s victim blame is jaw dropping to me. </p>
<p>I can only say we are hopefully in a state of transition and we are leaving this behind, but here we have alot of things going for us (no creationism in schools, I had a decent sex ed, and similar). So hopefully the positives out wiegh the negatives.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sara, I&#039;m sure that there is, in the raw data that doesn&#039;t seem to be available.  But the article says that gender had &quot;little impact,&quot; which actually doesn&#039;t surprise me very much.  I came to terms with the fact that significant numbers of victim-blamers are female a long time ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sara, I&#8217;m sure that there is, in the raw data that doesn&#8217;t seem to be available.  But the article says that gender had &#8220;little impact,&#8221; which actually doesn&#8217;t surprise me very much.  I came to terms with the fact that significant numbers of victim-blamers are female a long time ago.</p>
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		<title>By: sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there any gender breakdown on those responses?  I&#039;d love to see how female responses differ from males.

Fucking assholes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any gender breakdown on those responses?  I&#8217;d love to see how female responses differ from males.</p>
<p>Fucking assholes.</p>
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		<title>By: Feminist Avatar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feminist Avatar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Scotland, when they carried out this survey, they discovered that a significant percentage of school-children blamed women who were drunk or dressed provocatively for rape. They also said that they thought women were to blame in most instances. The results were quite shocking and led to a big social discussion about what we are teaching children in school and a campaign to re-educate them. It may well be that the same thing is being seen in the under 25 category in Ireland.

My, totally unscientific theory, is that we do not talk to young people about rape, so that they have very confused messages that come from popular culture. As they get older, they get informed or perhaps come to realise that real life and real women are much more complex than the stereotypes of tv.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Scotland, when they carried out this survey, they discovered that a significant percentage of school-children blamed women who were drunk or dressed provocatively for rape. They also said that they thought women were to blame in most instances. The results were quite shocking and led to a big social discussion about what we are teaching children in school and a campaign to re-educate them. It may well be that the same thing is being seen in the under 25 category in Ireland.</p>
<p>My, totally unscientific theory, is that we do not talk to young people about rape, so that they have very confused messages that come from popular culture. As they get older, they get informed or perhaps come to realise that real life and real women are much more complex than the stereotypes of tv.</p>
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