Comments on: Zombie SD Abortion Ban Done with Legislators, Moving on to Citizens’ Brains http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/02/zombie-sd-abortion-ban-done-with-legislators-moving-on-to-citizens-brains/ Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:34:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: On Those Supposed “Rape Exceptions” : The Curvature http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/02/zombie-sd-abortion-ban-done-with-legislators-moving-on-to-citizens-brains/#comment-7719 On Those Supposed “Rape Exceptions” : The Curvature Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:01:04 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/02/zombie-sd-abortion-ban-done-with-legislators-moving-on-to-citizens-brains/#comment-7719 [...] discussed the content of those so-called rape exceptions in Measure 11 and what they entail in depth in this post.  They are absolutely cruel to women, which was the primary argument I made at the time.  What I [...] [...] discussed the content of those so-called rape exceptions in Measure 11 and what they entail in depth in this post.  They are absolutely cruel to women, which was the primary argument I made at the time.  What I [...]

]]> By: On Those Supposed “Rape Exceptions” : The Curvature http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/02/zombie-sd-abortion-ban-done-with-legislators-moving-on-to-citizens-brains/#comment-7718 On Those Supposed “Rape Exceptions” : The Curvature Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:01:03 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/02/zombie-sd-abortion-ban-done-with-legislators-moving-on-to-citizens-brains/#comment-7718 [...] discussed the content of those so-called rape exceptions in Measure 11 and what they entail in depth in this post.  They are absolutely cruel to women, which was the primary argument I made at the time.  What I [...] [...] discussed the content of those so-called rape exceptions in Measure 11 and what they entail in depth in this post.  They are absolutely cruel to women, which was the primary argument I made at the time.  What I [...]

]]> By: South Dakota Live Action Camp : The Curvature http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/02/zombie-sd-abortion-ban-done-with-legislators-moving-on-to-citizens-brains/#comment-7692 South Dakota Live Action Camp : The Curvature Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:02:30 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/02/zombie-sd-abortion-ban-done-with-legislators-moving-on-to-citizens-brains/#comment-7692 [...] ilk did not like this, and so now the proposed ban is back in force — only this time, with supposed and completely bullshit “exceptions” in place.  In a state that is rather anti-choice, this does indeed make the task somewhat [...] [...] ilk did not like this, and so now the proposed ban is back in force — only this time, with supposed and completely bullshit “exceptions” in place.  In a state that is rather anti-choice, this does indeed make the task somewhat [...]

]]> By: Fighting The South Dakota Abortion Ban : The Curvature http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/02/zombie-sd-abortion-ban-done-with-legislators-moving-on-to-citizens-brains/#comment-7634 Fighting The South Dakota Abortion Ban : The Curvature Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:45:40 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/02/zombie-sd-abortion-ban-done-with-legislators-moving-on-to-citizens-brains/#comment-7634 [...] I will be leaving bright and early tomorrow morning for Sioux Falls, South Dakota. Through Planned Parenthood, I received a scholarship to head out there for a Live Action Camp, where we’ll be fighting Measure 11, the ballot initiative aiming to outlaw abortion in the state. [...] [...] I will be leaving bright and early tomorrow morning for Sioux Falls, South Dakota. Through Planned Parenthood, I received a scholarship to head out there for a Live Action Camp, where we’ll be fighting Measure 11, the ballot initiative aiming to outlaw abortion in the state. [...]

]]> By: Warped Perceptions of “Pro-Choice” : The Curvature http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/02/zombie-sd-abortion-ban-done-with-legislators-moving-on-to-citizens-brains/#comment-6889 Warped Perceptions of “Pro-Choice” : The Curvature Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:54:02 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/02/zombie-sd-abortion-ban-done-with-legislators-moving-on-to-citizens-brains/#comment-6889 [...] that’s the other side actually.  Remember how they’re not pro-life, or pro-child, or pro-woman at [...] [...] that’s the other side actually.  Remember how they’re not pro-life, or pro-child, or pro-woman at [...]

]]> By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/02/zombie-sd-abortion-ban-done-with-legislators-moving-on-to-citizens-brains/#comment-4331 Cara Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:46:39 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/02/zombie-sd-abortion-ban-done-with-legislators-moving-on-to-citizens-brains/#comment-4331 Right, you compare me twice to Hitler, once to Saddam Hussein, say that I promote murder and that I think it's okay to kill those with disabilities. Clearly, I'm the one who shut down discussion by calling you a dumbass after you had done all of those things. Poor baby. *rolls eyes* Right, you compare me twice to Hitler, once to Saddam Hussein, say that I promote murder and that I think it’s okay to kill those with disabilities. Clearly, I’m the one who shut down discussion by calling you a dumbass after you had done all of those things. Poor baby. *rolls eyes*

]]> By: Robert http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/02/zombie-sd-abortion-ban-done-with-legislators-moving-on-to-citizens-brains/#comment-4330 Robert Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:31:27 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/02/zombie-sd-abortion-ban-done-with-legislators-moving-on-to-citizens-brains/#comment-4330 Name calling? That's real mature. You did sound like a Nazi, you can quote Godwin's Law if you want to, but you did sound like one. I realize that you weren't saying that a candidate had to meet all three. This will be my last post on here, which you should be happy about, because you can just have comments from people that agree with you. I just thought a different point of view would do you some good but it is obvious that you would rather stay close-minded and go on thinking of an unborn child as just another thing to get rid of rather than an actual human being. I hope that you don't fall back on name calling in all your arguments, it makes you seem quite unintelligent. Name calling? That’s real mature. You did sound like a Nazi, you can quote Godwin’s Law if you want to, but you did sound like one. I realize that you weren’t saying that a candidate had to meet all three.
This will be my last post on here, which you should be happy about, because you can just have comments from people that agree with you. I just thought a different point of view would do you some good but it is obvious that you would rather stay close-minded and go on thinking of an unborn child as just another thing to get rid of rather than an actual human being.

I hope that you don’t fall back on name calling in all your arguments, it makes you seem quite unintelligent.

]]> By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/02/zombie-sd-abortion-ban-done-with-legislators-moving-on-to-citizens-brains/#comment-4324 Cara Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:49:28 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/02/zombie-sd-abortion-ban-done-with-legislators-moving-on-to-citizens-brains/#comment-4324 Gee Robert, thanks for selectively quoting what I said and leaving off the very important part that came afterwards: "3. <b>if they do need outside support for life, it does not impose upon anyone else’s physical human rights.</b> If the only way for born people to live was to hook them up to other people and have them share nutrients, choices regarding exercise, food, alcohol or drugs, etc., I’d say that every person who is a candidate for acting as a life support should be allowed to choose whether or not they want to take on that role. Including you." Notice how #2 and #3 are the exact same fucking thing unless you provide the rest? Furthermore dumbass, those with mental disability to have cognitive brain function. Cognitive brain function refers to the ability to know, reason and understand. Failing to know, reason and understand in the same way that <i>you</i> do or at the same level that <i>you</i> does not erase their ability to know, reason and understand. Oh, and I never said that a person had to meet all three characteristics; my point was that until the very latest stages of pregnancy, a fetus fails to meet any of them. Clearly, though, you're only here to slander. If you want to pull out <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law" rel="nofollow">Godwin's Law</a> and make yourself look like a moron, be my guest. But don't be surprised when we only ignore and laugh at you. p.s. I know that for you, it's really hard to care about anyone not living in your own backyard (and if that person is female, even then), but some of us do actually care about people who aren't sitting right in front of us, including even those who are in South Dakota. Though I do find your decision to use the word "choice" in a way that seems entirely devoid of irony to be absolutely hilarious. Gee Robert, thanks for selectively quoting what I said and leaving off the very important part that came afterwards: “3. if they do need outside support for life, it does not impose upon anyone else’s physical human rights. If the only way for born people to live was to hook them up to other people and have them share nutrients, choices regarding exercise, food, alcohol or drugs, etc., I’d say that every person who is a candidate for acting as a life support should be allowed to choose whether or not they want to take on that role. Including you.” Notice how #2 and #3 are the exact same fucking thing unless you provide the rest? Furthermore dumbass, those with mental disability to have cognitive brain function. Cognitive brain function refers to the ability to know, reason and understand. Failing to know, reason and understand in the same way that you do or at the same level that you does not erase their ability to know, reason and understand. Oh, and I never said that a person had to meet all three characteristics; my point was that until the very latest stages of pregnancy, a fetus fails to meet any of them.

Clearly, though, you’re only here to slander. If you want to pull out Godwin’s Law and make yourself look like a moron, be my guest. But don’t be surprised when we only ignore and laugh at you.

p.s. I know that for you, it’s really hard to care about anyone not living in your own backyard (and if that person is female, even then), but some of us do actually care about people who aren’t sitting right in front of us, including even those who are in South Dakota. Though I do find your decision to use the word “choice” in a way that seems entirely devoid of irony to be absolutely hilarious.

]]> By: Robert http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/02/zombie-sd-abortion-ban-done-with-legislators-moving-on-to-citizens-brains/#comment-4323 Robert Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:34:24 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/02/zombie-sd-abortion-ban-done-with-legislators-moving-on-to-citizens-brains/#comment-4323 "I say that it’s wrong to kill a person because they 1. have cognitive brain function 2. can live on their own and 3. if they do need outside support for life" Poor Cara. The above is quoted from your response to my post. Many people in antiquity would agree with your opinion about it being ok to kill people without cognitive brain function, who cannot live on their own and who need life support to live, but their last names were Hitler and Hussein. Or did you not realize what you were saying? What about the mentally retarded? Since you say it is only wrong to kill, "...a person because they 1. have cognitive brain function 2. can live on their own and 3. if they do need outside support for life." you must think it is ok to kill the mentally retarded? If you say it is ok then you put yourself right there with Adolf but if you do not, you must also consider that killing unborn babies is wrong too. Just a question: Do you even live in SD? If so, then keep on muttering your opinion all you want but if not, stay away from talking about our laws. I'm sick of people from outside SD trying to influence those of us who live there. It is our law and our choice. “I say that it’s wrong to kill a person because they 1. have cognitive brain function 2. can live on their own and 3. if they do need outside support for life”
Poor Cara. The above is quoted from your response to my post. Many people in antiquity would agree with your opinion about it being ok to kill people without cognitive brain function, who cannot live on their own and who need life support to live, but their last names were Hitler and Hussein. Or did you not realize what you were saying? What about the mentally retarded? Since you say it is only wrong to kill, “…a person because they 1. have cognitive brain function 2. can live on their own and 3. if they do need outside support for life.” you must think it is ok to kill the mentally retarded?
If you say it is ok then you put yourself right there with Adolf but if you do not, you must also consider that killing unborn babies is wrong too.

Just a question: Do you even live in SD? If so, then keep on muttering your opinion all you want but if not, stay away from talking about our laws. I’m sick of people from outside SD trying to influence those of us who live there. It is our law and our choice.

]]> By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/02/zombie-sd-abortion-ban-done-with-legislators-moving-on-to-citizens-brains/#comment-4307 Cara Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:55:44 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/02/zombie-sd-abortion-ban-done-with-legislators-moving-on-to-citizens-brains/#comment-4307 Hey folks, did you know that I have an opinion and that I think that my opinion is the only right opinion? Also, I think that my opinion is the right opinion and every other opinion is the wrong opinion and that my opinion is right. Just in case Robert wasn't clear enough. I don't say it's murder to kill a born person because of their heartbeat, I say that it's wrong to kill a person because they 1. have cognitive brain function 2. can live on their own and 3. if they do need outside support for life, it does not impose upon anyone else's physical human rights. If the only way for born people to live was to hook them up to other people and have them share nutrients, choices regarding exercise, food, alcohol or drugs, etc., I'd say that every person who is a candidate for acting as a life support should be allowed to choose whether or not they want to take on that role. Including you. Of course, if you read the post, you'd know what I think what is "so wrong" with the bill. But instead the word "fuck" just made you clutch your pearls so automatically that your reading comprehension was effected. Maybe you should try to tune the word out and read it again? Or just not comment on things that you can't even bother to read? But you clearly don't even comprehend that if my imposing my opinion on everyone -- which I'm not, since I've never forced nor ever advocated forcing a woman to get an abortion, and the idea frankly makes me ill -- is wrong, that <i>you</i> imposing your opinion on everyone else with a <i>law</i> is even <i>more</i> wrong. What with it being a lot harder to ignore a law than to ignore my opinion. So I don't exactly have high hopes for you. Hey folks, did you know that I have an opinion and that I think that my opinion is the only right opinion? Also, I think that my opinion is the right opinion and every other opinion is the wrong opinion and that my opinion is right. Just in case Robert wasn’t clear enough.

I don’t say it’s murder to kill a born person because of their heartbeat, I say that it’s wrong to kill a person because they 1. have cognitive brain function 2. can live on their own and 3. if they do need outside support for life, it does not impose upon anyone else’s physical human rights. If the only way for born people to live was to hook them up to other people and have them share nutrients, choices regarding exercise, food, alcohol or drugs, etc., I’d say that every person who is a candidate for acting as a life support should be allowed to choose whether or not they want to take on that role. Including you.

Of course, if you read the post, you’d know what I think what is “so wrong” with the bill. But instead the word “fuck” just made you clutch your pearls so automatically that your reading comprehension was effected. Maybe you should try to tune the word out and read it again? Or just not comment on things that you can’t even bother to read?

But you clearly don’t even comprehend that if my imposing my opinion on everyone — which I’m not, since I’ve never forced nor ever advocated forcing a woman to get an abortion, and the idea frankly makes me ill — is wrong, that you imposing your opinion on everyone else with a law is even more wrong. What with it being a lot harder to ignore a law than to ignore my opinion. So I don’t exactly have high hopes for you.

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