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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/16/the-cost-of-unwed-parenting/#comment-4385</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;One anthropology teacher I had, who was going through a divorce, said to me “all mothers are single mothers”– the lucky ones have supporting spouses (male/female) or support networks (extended families or urban alt families) that can help out, but “all mothers are single mothers” echoes...&lt;/i&gt;

Wow - that really simply makes sense. I have friends that have children and husbands, but they often feel like single mothers. One friend has a husband that works the oil fields and is gone A LOT, she very often says, &quot;If I wanted to be a single mother, i wouldn&#039;t have gotten married when I got knocked-up!&quot;

And I have noticed that there are a lot of similarities between my single-parent woes and their married-parent woes, they are a lot alike....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>One anthropology teacher I had, who was going through a divorce, said to me “all mothers are single mothers”– the lucky ones have supporting spouses (male/female) or support networks (extended families or urban alt families) that can help out, but “all mothers are single mothers” echoes&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Wow &#8211; that really simply makes sense. I have friends that have children and husbands, but they often feel like single mothers. One friend has a husband that works the oil fields and is gone A LOT, she very often says, &#8220;If I wanted to be a single mother, i wouldn&#8217;t have gotten married when I got knocked-up!&#8221;</p>
<p>And I have noticed that there are a lot of similarities between my single-parent woes and their married-parent woes, they are a lot alike&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Daisy</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/16/the-cost-of-unwed-parenting/#comment-4380</link>
		<dc:creator>Daisy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the perspective of a teacher, a mandated reporter of abuse, I don&#039;t see single parents as costing society $$. I see the folks making policy that won&#039;t allow these kids the books they need to learn to read as the ones costing society big $$. Of course, when the kids hit the job market without skills, it&#039;ll be my fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the perspective of a teacher, a mandated reporter of abuse, I don&#8217;t see single parents as costing society $$. I see the folks making policy that won&#8217;t allow these kids the books they need to learn to read as the ones costing society big $$. Of course, when the kids hit the job market without skills, it&#8217;ll be my fault.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/16/the-cost-of-unwed-parenting/#comment-4378</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it gives you any faith in the american people,  the only reason the pope is going on this promotional tour in US now is because, like, no one cares what he says anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it gives you any faith in the american people,  the only reason the pope is going on this promotional tour in US now is because, like, no one cares what he says anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Thealogian</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/16/the-cost-of-unwed-parenting/#comment-4375</link>
		<dc:creator>Thealogian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>60% of child support cases are in deficit--aka, men are not paying their child support and its easy to duck out of child supporting by simply moving to another state, yet of course, this &quot;study&quot; focuses once again on &quot;what&#039;s wrong with women.&quot; Just the other day I re-read &quot;A Room of One&#039;s Own&quot; by Virginia Woolf and in it, she mentions going to the British Library and looking up &quot;male&quot; and &quot;female&quot; in the catalogue and of course, &quot;female&quot; is the most studied of the genders--always trying to figure out what&#039;s wrong with us!!!

This unquestioning of the questions at the basis of such studies is sooooo ridiculous and such bad practice for researchers. 

It is my contention that every adult should be able to make a living wage, eat healthfully, and live in safe homes/communities. It is my contention that each individual adult or human has the right to universal healthcare and reasonable prices for prescription drugs whose development was underwritten by tax dollars. It is my contention that children have the fundamental rights to education and child-care, separately considered from the rights of parents. If instead of talking about parents or mothers or fathers when discussing day-care/childcare, we should recognize that when a child is born in our country, he/she is a citizen and has certain rights--healthcare, daycare, education are all part of those rights and in return, when they are productive workers, they can aid future children and provide for the elderly through their social security/income taxes. 

If we had all of these things in mind, then divorce and how parents parent would be less of an issue in terms of social impact and instead matters of privacy. Forcing women into servitude is wrong: because please, what these reconsidered divorce statutes would result in is the abolition of a woman&#039;s right to divorce, since 2/3 of divorces are initiated by women and somehow, rich white men who want to &quot;trade up&quot; would be allowed to via some sort of &quot;she got fat&quot; clause in the divorce laws.

They are asking the wrong questions!

Though I will say, in terms of partnership, it is hard to imagine entering into motherhood without some sort of partnership--but that&#039;s me on the outside looking in. One anthropology teacher I had, who was going through a divorce, said to me &quot;all mothers are single mothers&quot;-- the lucky ones have supporting spouses (male/female) or support networks (extended families or urban alt families) that can help out, but &quot;all mothers are single mothers&quot; echoes still and though I see my brother taking on about 40% of the childcare (which is a hell of a lot better than many hetero structures), becoming a mother is all the more daunting in this world of shifting security. Remember Kate and Alley? I&#039;ve often wondered why more women who are heterosexual don&#039;t form similar partnerships?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>60% of child support cases are in deficit&#8211;aka, men are not paying their child support and its easy to duck out of child supporting by simply moving to another state, yet of course, this &#8220;study&#8221; focuses once again on &#8220;what&#8217;s wrong with women.&#8221; Just the other day I re-read &#8220;A Room of One&#8217;s Own&#8221; by Virginia Woolf and in it, she mentions going to the British Library and looking up &#8220;male&#8221; and &#8220;female&#8221; in the catalogue and of course, &#8220;female&#8221; is the most studied of the genders&#8211;always trying to figure out what&#8217;s wrong with us!!!</p>
<p>This unquestioning of the questions at the basis of such studies is sooooo ridiculous and such bad practice for researchers. </p>
<p>It is my contention that every adult should be able to make a living wage, eat healthfully, and live in safe homes/communities. It is my contention that each individual adult or human has the right to universal healthcare and reasonable prices for prescription drugs whose development was underwritten by tax dollars. It is my contention that children have the fundamental rights to education and child-care, separately considered from the rights of parents. If instead of talking about parents or mothers or fathers when discussing day-care/childcare, we should recognize that when a child is born in our country, he/she is a citizen and has certain rights&#8211;healthcare, daycare, education are all part of those rights and in return, when they are productive workers, they can aid future children and provide for the elderly through their social security/income taxes. </p>
<p>If we had all of these things in mind, then divorce and how parents parent would be less of an issue in terms of social impact and instead matters of privacy. Forcing women into servitude is wrong: because please, what these reconsidered divorce statutes would result in is the abolition of a woman&#8217;s right to divorce, since 2/3 of divorces are initiated by women and somehow, rich white men who want to &#8220;trade up&#8221; would be allowed to via some sort of &#8220;she got fat&#8221; clause in the divorce laws.</p>
<p>They are asking the wrong questions!</p>
<p>Though I will say, in terms of partnership, it is hard to imagine entering into motherhood without some sort of partnership&#8211;but that&#8217;s me on the outside looking in. One anthropology teacher I had, who was going through a divorce, said to me &#8220;all mothers are single mothers&#8221;&#8211; the lucky ones have supporting spouses (male/female) or support networks (extended families or urban alt families) that can help out, but &#8220;all mothers are single mothers&#8221; echoes still and though I see my brother taking on about 40% of the childcare (which is a hell of a lot better than many hetero structures), becoming a mother is all the more daunting in this world of shifting security. Remember Kate and Alley? I&#8217;ve often wondered why more women who are heterosexual don&#8217;t form similar partnerships?</p>
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		<title>By: roses</title>
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		<dc:creator>roses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I bet someone could use those exact assumptions to show that abortion &lt;i&gt;saves&lt;/i&gt; the government billions of dollars a year because many of the women who choose abortion would otherwise end up poor single mothers.  I wonder if that would convince these people to support legal abortion?  (Ha... as if).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I bet someone could use those exact assumptions to show that abortion <i>saves</i> the government billions of dollars a year because many of the women who choose abortion would otherwise end up poor single mothers.  I wonder if that would convince these people to support legal abortion?  (Ha&#8230; as if).</p>
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		<title>By: Lab Kat</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/16/the-cost-of-unwed-parenting/#comment-4371</link>
		<dc:creator>Lab Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>--- Scafidi’s calculations were based on the assumption that households headed by a single female have relatively high poverty rates, leading to higher spending on welfare, health care, criminal justice and education for those raised in the disadvantaged homes. --

Because it could never be assumed that men who get women pregnant then duck out of their responsibilities - like paying child support or see their children - or those who leave their wives for a younger model/midlife crisis or routinely abuse their families would responsible for any of those problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8212; Scafidi’s calculations were based on the assumption that households headed by a single female have relatively high poverty rates, leading to higher spending on welfare, health care, criminal justice and education for those raised in the disadvantaged homes. &#8211;</p>
<p>Because it could never be assumed that men who get women pregnant then duck out of their responsibilities &#8211; like paying child support or see their children &#8211; or those who leave their wives for a younger model/midlife crisis or routinely abuse their families would responsible for any of those problems.</p>
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		<title>By: lepidopteryx</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/16/the-cost-of-unwed-parenting/#comment-4369</link>
		<dc:creator>lepidopteryx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it&#039;s not like I would have stayed in either situation if I couldn&#039;t have gotten a divorce. I still would have moved out, still would have done what I had to do to protect myself and my daughter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it&#8217;s not like I would have stayed in either situation if I couldn&#8217;t have gotten a divorce. I still would have moved out, still would have done what I had to do to protect myself and my daughter.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/16/the-cost-of-unwed-parenting/#comment-4367</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know, lepidopteryx....I think it is the fact that these &quot;marriage-saving&quot; groups are so far from any basis of reality that really makes this frustrating. I mean, &quot;unilateral divorces&quot;? How many abusive men do you know that actually want a divorce? I suppose that is why when abused women want to leave they are so often threatened with death...not like the mutherfuckers say, &quot;Well, if you leave, then I will just divorce you! How do you like that?&quot; 

And then there is the &quot;mutual consent/unilateral divorce&quot; &lt;i&gt;that would do away with the relatively painless divorces couples can attain without charging the other spouse with wrongdoing&lt;/i&gt;
This again, in an abusive relationship, puts the burden of proof on the woman. What if she can&#039;t &quot;prove&quot; that he is hurting her? Must she then stay married to him until he does enough damage that she can take pictures of? What if he is raping her and he says it was consensual? The list of what if&#039;s and how she could/could not prove it go on and on - and in the end, it is still blaming the victim and putting the burden on her, not the abuser.
Sickening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know, lepidopteryx&#8230;.I think it is the fact that these &#8220;marriage-saving&#8221; groups are so far from any basis of reality that really makes this frustrating. I mean, &#8220;unilateral divorces&#8221;? How many abusive men do you know that actually want a divorce? I suppose that is why when abused women want to leave they are so often threatened with death&#8230;not like the mutherfuckers say, &#8220;Well, if you leave, then I will just divorce you! How do you like that?&#8221; </p>
<p>And then there is the &#8220;mutual consent/unilateral divorce&#8221; <i>that would do away with the relatively painless divorces couples can attain without charging the other spouse with wrongdoing</i><br />
This again, in an abusive relationship, puts the burden of proof on the woman. What if she can&#8217;t &#8220;prove&#8221; that he is hurting her? Must she then stay married to him until he does enough damage that she can take pictures of? What if he is raping her and he says it was consensual? The list of what if&#8217;s and how she could/could not prove it go on and on &#8211; and in the end, it is still blaming the victim and putting the burden on her, not the abuser.<br />
Sickening.</p>
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		<title>By: lepidopteryx</title>
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		<dc:creator>lepidopteryx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So according to Marriage Savers, I should have stayed and worked it out with the husband who raped me, threw a television at me, and came home with a stranger&#039;s lipstick on his underpants. He didn&#039;t want a divorce. 

Or perhaps I should have stayed with the husband who undermined my authority with my child (not his - she was conceived during a rebound relationship after my first divorce). The one who thought that it was perfectly ok to threaten my then-adolescent child with corporal punishment even though I had explicitly forbidden it. The one who thought that witholding meals from a growing child was an acceptable means of punishment. The one who knew my rules regarding her and expected me to abandon them in favor of his after we were married. The one whose behavior led to her developing an eating disorder. He didn&#039;t want a divorce either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So according to Marriage Savers, I should have stayed and worked it out with the husband who raped me, threw a television at me, and came home with a stranger&#8217;s lipstick on his underpants. He didn&#8217;t want a divorce. </p>
<p>Or perhaps I should have stayed with the husband who undermined my authority with my child (not his &#8211; she was conceived during a rebound relationship after my first divorce). The one who thought that it was perfectly ok to threaten my then-adolescent child with corporal punishment even though I had explicitly forbidden it. The one who thought that witholding meals from a growing child was an acceptable means of punishment. The one who knew my rules regarding her and expected me to abandon them in favor of his after we were married. The one whose behavior led to her developing an eating disorder. He didn&#8217;t want a divorce either.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah - that crazy liberal thinking :-) 
It just brought up some bad vibes from when I was &quot;let go&quot; from my last job. They would get pissy with me for going to get my kid if the school nurse called or the times I had to take off when he was sick. Of course this was all coming from married men with stay-at-home wives or unmarried men. Even though I would take the work home and do it, apparently I just didn&#039;t fit into their &quot;culture&quot; - their words not mine. Grrrrr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah &#8211; that crazy liberal thinking :-)<br />
It just brought up some bad vibes from when I was &#8220;let go&#8221; from my last job. They would get pissy with me for going to get my kid if the school nurse called or the times I had to take off when he was sick. Of course this was all coming from married men with stay-at-home wives or unmarried men. Even though I would take the work home and do it, apparently I just didn&#8217;t fit into their &#8220;culture&#8221; &#8211; their words not mine. Grrrrr.</p>
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