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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/22/is-it-august-yet/#comment-4476</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have known that I couldn&#039;t write a single word on this topic without people getting pissy.  So whatever.  Apparently, my proclamations that my issue with Hillary is not that she&#039;s still in the race but that she is attacking Obama in a way that builds up McCain, and my very genuine assertion that I would rather have Clinton as our nominee today than have this continue as it is means that I&#039;m compulsively humping Obama&#039;s leg.  Good to know.

By the way, this is precisely the kind of shit that is making this process so excruciating.  Women cannot support Hillary without being told they&#039;re brainwashed feminist zealots voting with their vaginas, and women can&#039;t support Obama without being told they&#039;re self-loathing brainwashed misogynists.  Either way, women can&#039;t &lt;i&gt;actually&lt;/i&gt; have an opinion -- they&#039;re just political regurgitaters.  What a bunch of fucking crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have known that I couldn&#8217;t write a single word on this topic without people getting pissy.  So whatever.  Apparently, my proclamations that my issue with Hillary is not that she&#8217;s still in the race but that she is attacking Obama in a way that builds up McCain, and my very genuine assertion that I would rather have Clinton as our nominee today than have this continue as it is means that I&#8217;m compulsively humping Obama&#8217;s leg.  Good to know.</p>
<p>By the way, this is precisely the kind of shit that is making this process so excruciating.  Women cannot support Hillary without being told they&#8217;re brainwashed feminist zealots voting with their vaginas, and women can&#8217;t support Obama without being told they&#8217;re self-loathing brainwashed misogynists.  Either way, women can&#8217;t <i>actually</i> have an opinion &#8212; they&#8217;re just political regurgitaters.  What a bunch of fucking crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/22/is-it-august-yet/#comment-4475</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to everything I&#039;ve heard and read neither one of them is statistically able to win the nomination at this point.  So why should she drop out? I don&#039;t want an answer.  It&#039;ll just be more Obamabot-ese. *That* is something I&#039;m tired of already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to everything I&#8217;ve heard and read neither one of them is statistically able to win the nomination at this point.  So why should she drop out? I don&#8217;t want an answer.  It&#8217;ll just be more Obamabot-ese. *That* is something I&#8217;m tired of already.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/22/is-it-august-yet/#comment-4457</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-- it is my impression that Obama has a lead in overall popular vote.  If this is incorrect though, please let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8211; it is my impression that Obama has a lead in overall popular vote.  If this is incorrect though, please let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/22/is-it-august-yet/#comment-4456</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kit, I suppose that depends on how you count superdelgates -- I was referring to overall popular vote, not the vote of each individual state.  Two different things, though I can see how there may be some confusion.

I also strongly disagree that Obama is the candidate of the Democratic Party Machine when Clinton is the one who began with more money, more establishment support, a sense of inevitability, last time I checked still had the lead in superdelegates, and has a name that basically amounts to American political royalty.  

But you&#039;re right that Obama hasn&#039;t yet won it.  And I believe that he can win it.  The question is what this mess, as it is playing out, is risking us in the general election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kit, I suppose that depends on how you count superdelgates &#8212; I was referring to overall popular vote, not the vote of each individual state.  Two different things, though I can see how there may be some confusion.</p>
<p>I also strongly disagree that Obama is the candidate of the Democratic Party Machine when Clinton is the one who began with more money, more establishment support, a sense of inevitability, last time I checked still had the lead in superdelegates, and has a name that basically amounts to American political royalty.  </p>
<p>But you&#8217;re right that Obama hasn&#8217;t yet won it.  And I believe that he can win it.  The question is what this mess, as it is playing out, is risking us in the general election.</p>
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		<title>By: Kit</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/22/is-it-august-yet/#comment-4455</link>
		<dc:creator>Kit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;probably won’t get super delegates to overturn the popular vote&quot;

This is the only part of what you wrote that annoys me - and it&#039;s not just you. It&#039;s a lie promoted by the Obama campaign. If every superdelegate in every state that has already held a primary/caucus were to vote according to which of the two got the majority in their state, it would be over. Senator Clinton would have the nomination by a very comfortable margin. It isn&#039;t going to happen. Senator Obama is the candidate of the Democratic Pary Machine and it&#039;s not likely she will be able to overcome that disadvantage.

He won&#039;t make a bad President. I won&#039;t have any trouble voting for him come fall. But &quot;different kind of candidate&quot; he&#039;s not - not even in your dreams. He hasn&#039;t won it, and he should be made to win it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;probably won’t get super delegates to overturn the popular vote&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the only part of what you wrote that annoys me &#8211; and it&#8217;s not just you. It&#8217;s a lie promoted by the Obama campaign. If every superdelegate in every state that has already held a primary/caucus were to vote according to which of the two got the majority in their state, it would be over. Senator Clinton would have the nomination by a very comfortable margin. It isn&#8217;t going to happen. Senator Obama is the candidate of the Democratic Pary Machine and it&#8217;s not likely she will be able to overcome that disadvantage.</p>
<p>He won&#8217;t make a bad President. I won&#8217;t have any trouble voting for him come fall. But &#8220;different kind of candidate&#8221; he&#8217;s not &#8211; not even in your dreams. He hasn&#8217;t won it, and he should be made to win it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/22/is-it-august-yet/#comment-4445</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh. I couldn&#039;t agree more. I used to watch every debate with a beer and popcorn, every primary results coverage with bated breath...now, I&#039;m just watching reruns of Rock of Love with Brett Michaels and praying that one of them just creams the other and ends this thing while I&#039;m not looking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh. I couldn&#8217;t agree more. I used to watch every debate with a beer and popcorn, every primary results coverage with bated breath&#8230;now, I&#8217;m just watching reruns of Rock of Love with Brett Michaels and praying that one of them just creams the other and ends this thing while I&#8217;m not looking.</p>
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		<title>By: donna darko</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/22/is-it-august-yet/#comment-4443</link>
		<dc:creator>donna darko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why can&#039;t the candidates just focus on progressive policies, values and why they&#039;d be better than McCain? They&#039;d win over the whole country (except the truly insane 22% that supports Bush).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why can&#8217;t the candidates just focus on progressive policies, values and why they&#8217;d be better than McCain? They&#8217;d win over the whole country (except the truly insane 22% that supports Bush).</p>
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		<title>By: Tracey</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/22/is-it-august-yet/#comment-4437</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think any of us would be so exhausted with the primary season if all the hype and debating and everything hadn&#039;t started so much &lt;i&gt;earlier&lt;/i&gt; than ever before.  In our impatience to bring an end to the current president&#039;s term, we started everything way too early.  Now, we&#039;re just sick of it all, and it doesn&#039;t help that the GOP already has their candidate and we still have to wait and see.

Call me overly optimistic, but I still think they&#039;re both decent candidates, and I think it&#039;s cool that they both still have so much support. The pervasive idea floating around that Hillary should &quot;step aside&quot; and leave the race is so deeply offensive to me that I don&#039;t even know how to respond to it.  After all the service and hard work she has put in, and after receiving the votes of so many dedicated supporters, leaving the race just so we can have a candidate would be ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think any of us would be so exhausted with the primary season if all the hype and debating and everything hadn&#8217;t started so much <i>earlier</i> than ever before.  In our impatience to bring an end to the current president&#8217;s term, we started everything way too early.  Now, we&#8217;re just sick of it all, and it doesn&#8217;t help that the GOP already has their candidate and we still have to wait and see.</p>
<p>Call me overly optimistic, but I still think they&#8217;re both decent candidates, and I think it&#8217;s cool that they both still have so much support. The pervasive idea floating around that Hillary should &#8220;step aside&#8221; and leave the race is so deeply offensive to me that I don&#8217;t even know how to respond to it.  After all the service and hard work she has put in, and after receiving the votes of so many dedicated supporters, leaving the race just so we can have a candidate would be ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/22/is-it-august-yet/#comment-4436</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m of the opinion that we are well past productivity.  I find the people who are actually taking the time to discuss issues, examine privilege etc. are mostly the same groups who would do so anyway.  Maybe I&#039;m wrong about that, but that&#039;s my personal experience.

Again, I in no way deny that I am biased in Obama&#039;s favor.  But like I said in the post and like Kristen said, if we could end all of this ridiculous ugliness right now by somehow determining Clinton to be the candidate, so be it.  It&#039;d suck, but it would make me feel a lot better than this.  I&#039;m still of the mind that either of them will be satisfactory, even as I&#039;ve grown to like both of them less over time.  I&#039;d like to get that resolved before I lose that feeling . . . and since I know that I&#039;ll vote anyway, definitely before other people lose that feeling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m of the opinion that we are well past productivity.  I find the people who are actually taking the time to discuss issues, examine privilege etc. are mostly the same groups who would do so anyway.  Maybe I&#8217;m wrong about that, but that&#8217;s my personal experience.</p>
<p>Again, I in no way deny that I am biased in Obama&#8217;s favor.  But like I said in the post and like Kristen said, if we could end all of this ridiculous ugliness right now by somehow determining Clinton to be the candidate, so be it.  It&#8217;d suck, but it would make me feel a lot better than this.  I&#8217;m still of the mind that either of them will be satisfactory, even as I&#8217;ve grown to like both of them less over time.  I&#8217;d like to get that resolved before I lose that feeling . . . and since I know that I&#8217;ll vote anyway, definitely before other people lose that feeling.</p>
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		<title>By: Pizza Diavola</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/22/is-it-august-yet/#comment-4435</link>
		<dc:creator>Pizza Diavola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;People aren’t confronting they’re hurling insults. No one is talking openly and honestly about sexism, homophobia, privilege, etc. They’re just using those things to beat the crap out of each other with.&lt;/em&gt;

I suppose that depends on whom you&#039;re talking about.  In the blogosphere, I&#039;ve encountered people hurling insults, but I&#039;ve also encountered people confronting their own privileges and honestly examining it and talking to one another.  The TV pundits by and large are happily slinging mud, but some print/online journalists have begun to more critically examine issues (e.g. Rebecca Traister, Amanda Fortini - I have quibbles with both their articles, but they&#039;re a start) even while others (about 1/2 of the NYT columnists) refuse to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>People aren’t confronting they’re hurling insults. No one is talking openly and honestly about sexism, homophobia, privilege, etc. They’re just using those things to beat the crap out of each other with.</em></p>
<p>I suppose that depends on whom you&#8217;re talking about.  In the blogosphere, I&#8217;ve encountered people hurling insults, but I&#8217;ve also encountered people confronting their own privileges and honestly examining it and talking to one another.  The TV pundits by and large are happily slinging mud, but some print/online journalists have begun to more critically examine issues (e.g. Rebecca Traister, Amanda Fortini &#8211; I have quibbles with both their articles, but they&#8217;re a start) even while others (about 1/2 of the NYT columnists) refuse to.</p>
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