Comments on: Feminist News and Links http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/28/feminist-news-and-links/ Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:23:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Melissa http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/28/feminist-news-and-links/#comment-4563 Melissa Thu, 01 May 2008 15:58:41 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=704#comment-4563 This whole Miley Cyrus thing has me confused as I keep going back and forth...I also don't see it as sexual and actually think the photograph is quite beautiful. I think the thing that bothers me the most is the fact that Disney went back and made her apoligize for the photos, having her say that she was "embarrassed" - I am fairly sure that she and her team would have had some editorial review/say before the photos were published and probably saw them as artistic and not sexual, but then when Disney got a hold of them....then she had to be "embarrassed". Now don't get me wrong, I think young women and girls are sexualized WAY to early in the media as well as in regular civilian life, but I am not so sure that this is an example of that. This whole Miley Cyrus thing has me confused as I keep going back and forth…I also don’t see it as sexual and actually think the photograph is quite beautiful. I think the thing that bothers me the most is the fact that Disney went back and made her apoligize for the photos, having her say that she was “embarrassed” – I am fairly sure that she and her team would have had some editorial review/say before the photos were published and probably saw them as artistic and not sexual, but then when Disney got a hold of them….then she had to be “embarrassed”.

Now don’t get me wrong, I think young women and girls are sexualized WAY to early in the media as well as in regular civilian life, but I am not so sure that this is an example of that.

]]> By: Jennifer-Ruth http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/28/feminist-news-and-links/#comment-4560 Jennifer-Ruth Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:37:08 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=704#comment-4560 Did you see this at the end of the Miley Cyrus article?! "Last week, Gary Marsh, the president of entertainment for Disney Channel Worldwide, was quoted in Portfolio magazine saying, “For Miley Cyrus to be a ‘good girl’ is now a business decision for her. Parents have invested in her a godliness. If she violates that trust, she won’t get it back.”" They literally lay the blame of sexulisation at the feet of a 15 year old girl! Did you see this at the end of the Miley Cyrus article?!

“Last week, Gary Marsh, the president of entertainment for Disney Channel Worldwide, was quoted in Portfolio magazine saying, “For Miley Cyrus to be a ‘good girl’ is now a business decision for her. Parents have invested in her a godliness. If she violates that trust, she won’t get it back.””

They literally lay the blame of sexulisation at the feet of a 15 year old girl!

]]> By: Kristen http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/28/feminist-news-and-links/#comment-4558 Kristen Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:18:14 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=704#comment-4558 Eh? Cloth doesn't mean sex to me. I sleep in rumpled up bedsheets. I photograph my dog in rumpled up bedsheets. I had un-sexual rumpled up bedsheets for most of my life (thank god I can still say that for a least a few more years...). So here's a question....if this were a renaissance oil by Velazquez with an unnamed model, aged 15, would there be similar outrage? Eh? Cloth doesn’t mean sex to me. I sleep in rumpled up bedsheets. I photograph my dog in rumpled up bedsheets. I had un-sexual rumpled up bedsheets for most of my life (thank god I can still say that for a least a few more years…). So here’s a question….if this were a renaissance oil by Velazquez with an unnamed model, aged 15, would there be similar outrage?

]]> By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/28/feminist-news-and-links/#comment-4557 Cara Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:08:43 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=704#comment-4557 For me, Kristen, it's that she looks like she's in rumpled up bedsheets. You don't see a bed, so it's not definitive, but it's what I see and I'm relatively sure that this is the suggestion they're going for . . . if I'm right, I think it's pretty clear how that would be considered sexual. For me, Kristen, it’s that she looks like she’s in rumpled up bedsheets. You don’t see a bed, so it’s not definitive, but it’s what I see and I’m relatively sure that this is the suggestion they’re going for . . . if I’m right, I think it’s pretty clear how that would be considered sexual.

]]> By: Kristen http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/28/feminist-news-and-links/#comment-4554 Kristen Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:00:34 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=704#comment-4554 I have to admit. I'm a little perplexed by the anguish over the Cyrus photo. To me, and of course my view isn't universal, it is reminiscent of the old masters. Particularly Velazquez's Rokeby Venus although that painting is more graphic. I just don't see the sexuality in it. I see the beauty of the human form and the fragility of it and the conflicting posture and expression indicating a conflict between girlhood and womanhood. Sexism or sexualization I really don't see. I have to admit. I’m a little perplexed by the anguish over the Cyrus photo. To me, and of course my view isn’t universal, it is reminiscent of the old masters. Particularly Velazquez’s Rokeby Venus although that painting is more graphic. I just don’t see the sexuality in it. I see the beauty of the human form and the fragility of it and the conflicting posture and expression indicating a conflict between girlhood and womanhood. Sexism or sexualization I really don’t see.

]]> By: Paul http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/28/feminist-news-and-links/#comment-4550 Paul Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:25:58 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=704#comment-4550 Re: the Marine The US judicial and political system is incapable of seriously punishing American military or political criminals - just look at William Calley and also the way the real powers behind Abu Ghraib got off scot-free Re: the Marine

The US judicial and political system is incapable of seriously punishing American military or political criminals – just look at William Calley and also the way the real powers behind Abu Ghraib got off scot-free

]]> By: Avida Quesada http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/28/feminist-news-and-links/#comment-4549 Avida Quesada Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:02:37 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=704#comment-4549 And I apologize for venting on your blog. We don’t have a good start but I know we will have a very good end. I specked to learn a lot from your site. Is time to go to my home. See you then. And I apologize for venting on your blog. We don’t have a good start but I know we will have a very good end. I specked to learn a lot from your site. Is time to go to my home. See you then.

]]> By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/28/feminist-news-and-links/#comment-4548 Cara Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:55:50 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=704#comment-4548 Avida, I've never seen that before and there isn't a citation in the Wiki article. If it is true, then yes, I absolutely oppose that telling of the story. I think that there are numerous problems with the Vagina Monologues, actually. I apologize if I was overly-hostile. Usually the only people who bring up that monologue are anti-feminists who actually couldn't give a shit less about rape, and are the same ones who will show up on a thread and call rape victims liars. But I absolutely agree that a 24-year-old woman cannot "have sex" with a 13-year-old girl, and that it would be rape. I also find the notion of "a good rape" to be offensive to my very core. Avida, I’ve never seen that before and there isn’t a citation in the Wiki article. If it is true, then yes, I absolutely oppose that telling of the story. I think that there are numerous problems with the Vagina Monologues, actually. I apologize if I was overly-hostile. Usually the only people who bring up that monologue are anti-feminists who actually couldn’t give a shit less about rape, and are the same ones who will show up on a thread and call rape victims liars. But I absolutely agree that a 24-year-old woman cannot “have sex” with a 13-year-old girl, and that it would be rape. I also find the notion of “a good rape” to be offensive to my very core.

]]> By: Avida Quesada http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/28/feminist-news-and-links/#comment-4547 Avida Quesada Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:46:32 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=704#comment-4547 I don't see a need to insult people, even more when when you appear to not know the _original story_ I am not a liar. You can read it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vagina_Monologues . And yes, maybe I am a little sensitive since I just coming for a very nasty situation. We all get dump on the same train. I know that happen to black people to. I also know that’s not your responsibility but a natural outcome of “woman as the other” in other worlds it is a patriarchal construct. A very effective one you know. Still place yourself on our shoes: we are fitting an uphill battle here, just like you, but even harder due to the poverty.. We don’t have the means to create the material we need. I love the way, also resource limited, feminist from the so called first work send help. But even with your help it is not easy. And please don’t get mad at me. I didn’t mean to offend you. I have other reference form the initial setup of the monologues. It is nice, and is a discussion by feminist professors, so no hate involved. I am searching for it because I have it at home. I big hug. I don’t see a need to insult people, even more when when you appear to not know the _original story_ I am not a liar. You can read it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vagina_Monologues . And yes, maybe I am a little sensitive since I just coming for a very nasty situation. We all get dump on the same train. I know that happen to black people to. I also know that’s not your responsibility but a natural outcome of “woman as the other” in other worlds it is a patriarchal construct. A very effective one you know. Still place yourself on our shoes: we are fitting an uphill battle here, just like you, but even harder due to the poverty.. We don’t have the means to create the material we need. I love the way, also resource limited, feminist from the so called first work send help. But even with your help it is not easy. And please don’t get mad at me. I didn’t mean to offend you. I have other reference form the initial setup of the monologues. It is nice, and is a discussion by feminist professors, so no hate involved. I am searching for it because I have it at home. I big hug.

]]> By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2008/04/28/feminist-news-and-links/#comment-4546 Cara Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:20:40 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=704#comment-4546 Wait, you're referring to the Vagina Monologues story about the teenage girl and adult woman? I'm not entirely sure what that has to do with anything here, seeing as how I've never referenced that story or said that I support it. But I do think it's worth noting that the girl in the story was 16, not 13 (I just got out the book to triple-check), and I'm tired of people lying about it. Whether or not a 16-year-old can consent to sex with an adult is still up for debate and laws vary greatly, but there is a huge difference between 13 and 16. I personally do think that it's possible for a 16-year-old to consent to sex with an adult, depending on the circumstances -- the age difference, the power dynamics of the relationship, maturity level of the teenager and the usual standards of whether or not there is enthusiastic consent. The girl in the story is not drunk -- she is handed one drink and it's never indicated that she even drinks it -- and expresses great happiness to be there and describes the encounter herself as entirely consensual. Whether or not the enthusiastic consent that she displays is <i>meaningful</i> is up for debate in ways that it is absolutely not for a 13-year-old, and for the record I have always been somewhat uncomfortable with that story. But I think that the <i>fetishization</I> of teenage girls for mass public consumption is an entirely different matter than the private sexual acts of a teenage girl and doesn't really have a whole lot to do with anything here. Nor does the suggestion that The Vagina Monologues is some kind of feminist bible. Wait, you’re referring to the Vagina Monologues story about the teenage girl and adult woman?

I’m not entirely sure what that has to do with anything here, seeing as how I’ve never referenced that story or said that I support it. But I do think it’s worth noting that the girl in the story was 16, not 13 (I just got out the book to triple-check), and I’m tired of people lying about it. Whether or not a 16-year-old can consent to sex with an adult is still up for debate and laws vary greatly, but there is a huge difference between 13 and 16. I personally do think that it’s possible for a 16-year-old to consent to sex with an adult, depending on the circumstances — the age difference, the power dynamics of the relationship, maturity level of the teenager and the usual standards of whether or not there is enthusiastic consent. The girl in the story is not drunk — she is handed one drink and it’s never indicated that she even drinks it — and expresses great happiness to be there and describes the encounter herself as entirely consensual. Whether or not the enthusiastic consent that she displays is meaningful is up for debate in ways that it is absolutely not for a 13-year-old, and for the record I have always been somewhat uncomfortable with that story. But I think that the fetishization of teenage girls for mass public consumption is an entirely different matter than the private sexual acts of a teenage girl and doesn’t really have a whole lot to do with anything here. Nor does the suggestion that The Vagina Monologues is some kind of feminist bible.

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