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		<title>By: Consent &#38; Sex &#171; Pizza Diavola</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/08/15/victims-do-not-contribute-to-their-own-rapes/#comment-11985</link>
		<dc:creator>Consent &#38; Sex &#171; Pizza Diavola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 06:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] asking for it, wearing a skirt that short), had a drink with me (what&#8217;d she expect, drinking at a bar with a stranger?), kissed me (she danced with him, she led him on and that&#8217;s like consenting [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] asking for it, wearing a skirt that short), had a drink with me (what&#8217;d she expect, drinking at a bar with a stranger?), kissed me (she danced with him, she led him on and that&#8217;s like consenting [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rape myths, rape myth acceptance, and community perceptions of victims of sexual violence &#8212; Hoyden About Town</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rape myths, rape myth acceptance, and community perceptions of victims of sexual violence &#8212; Hoyden About Town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the British victim compensation case [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Peter Hitchens is a Piece of Shit : The Curvature</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/08/15/victims-do-not-contribute-to-their-own-rapes/#comment-6869</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Hitchens is a Piece of Shit : The Curvature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of any statement, and that will magically make it non-victim-blaming.  I commented about this on this thread.  It&#8217;s as though people think that simple phrase, or alternately &#8220;of course a woman is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of any statement, and that will magically make it non-victim-blaming.  I commented about this on this thread.  It&#8217;s as though people think that simple phrase, or alternately &#8220;of course a woman is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SunlessNick</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/08/15/victims-do-not-contribute-to-their-own-rapes/#comment-6866</link>
		<dc:creator>SunlessNick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Instead, as Melissa points out, what we get is more bullshit and excuses.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Melissa&#039;s put up another post about this, in response to another Mail article (from Peter Hitchens, who seems to be even less delightful than his brother Christopher):

http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/08/part-ii-geez-when-will-women-stop.html

The amount of misogyny in the article is so thick that it might be triggering to some.

A particularly bad quote:&lt;blockquote&gt;Of course she is culpable [for being raped while drunk], just as she would be culpable if she crashed a car and injured someone while drunk, or stepped out into the traffic while drunk and was run over.

Getting drunk is not something that happens to you. It is something you do.&lt;blockquote&gt;... of which a Shakesville commentator called &lt;strong&gt;pennylane&lt;/strong&gt; said &lt;em&gt;&quot;not only is he comparing the victim of a crime (rape) to the perpetrator of a crime (drunk driving), it appears the analogy goes so far as to imply that the rapist is the one who has innocently stumbled into the path of the drunken woman, and is unable to get out of her way before he rapes her.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; possibly amounts to the worst rape apologism I&#039;ve ever seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Instead, as Melissa points out, what we get is more bullshit and excuses.</p></blockquote>
<p>Melissa&#8217;s put up another post about this, in response to another Mail article (from Peter Hitchens, who seems to be even less delightful than his brother Christopher):</p>
<p><a href="http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/08/part-ii-geez-when-will-women-stop.html" rel="nofollow">http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/08/part-ii-geez-when-will-women-stop.html</a></p>
<p>The amount of misogyny in the article is so thick that it might be triggering to some.</p>
<p>A particularly bad quote:<br />
<blockquote>Of course she is culpable [for being raped while drunk], just as she would be culpable if she crashed a car and injured someone while drunk, or stepped out into the traffic while drunk and was run over.</p>
<p>Getting drunk is not something that happens to you. It is something you do.<br />
<blockquote>&#8230; of which a Shakesville commentator called <strong>pennylane</strong> said <em>&#8220;not only is he comparing the victim of a crime (rape) to the perpetrator of a crime (drunk driving), it appears the analogy goes so far as to imply that the rapist is the one who has innocently stumbled into the path of the drunken woman, and is unable to get out of her way before he rapes her.&#8221;</em> possibly amounts to the worst rape apologism I&#8217;ve ever seen.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/08/15/victims-do-not-contribute-to-their-own-rapes/#comment-6854</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s exactly what she did, so good.  Maybe (just maybe) she actually learned something.  It shouldn&#039;t have been on the back of someone else but it&#039;s possible that the next girl might be treated a bit better by her . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s exactly what she did, so good.  Maybe (just maybe) she actually learned something.  It shouldn&#8217;t have been on the back of someone else but it&#8217;s possible that the next girl might be treated a bit better by her . . .</p>
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		<title>By: MzBitca</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/08/15/victims-do-not-contribute-to-their-own-rapes/#comment-6853</link>
		<dc:creator>MzBitca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the advice and the link to SAFER Cara I will talk to a couple pepole I do that are sexual assault advocates and see what we can get started.

One minor consolation: the women that lied to the girl to get her to admit to a party, I made her cry with my words when I accused her of re-victimizing the girl and sending the message to other women that if they are attacked they have noone to turn to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the advice and the link to SAFER Cara I will talk to a couple pepole I do that are sexual assault advocates and see what we can get started.</p>
<p>One minor consolation: the women that lied to the girl to get her to admit to a party, I made her cry with my words when I accused her of re-victimizing the girl and sending the message to other women that if they are attacked they have noone to turn to.</p>
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		<title>By: SunlessNick</title>
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		<dc:creator>SunlessNick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m still seeing red about the situation if you can’t tell.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Damn straight you should be.

Sorry, unlike Cara, I don&#039;t have anything to say that&#039;s actually helpful.  But I can at least throw some agreement your way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m still seeing red about the situation if you can’t tell.</p></blockquote>
<p>Damn straight you should be.</p>
<p>Sorry, unlike Cara, I don&#8217;t have anything to say that&#8217;s actually helpful.  But I can at least throw some agreement your way.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well you have a right to be mad.  But that&#039;s precisely my point -- that many people have a history of organizing and going from a university with a situation like yours to one that&#039;s far more responsible and supportive, and it definitley can be done.

You can also threaten them with the Clery Act, since I&#039;m positive that if they&#039;re reporting a 0% statistic they&#039;re not following it, and that can get them into a whole shitload of legal trouble.  I hear that often works, and I&#039;m pretty positive that SAFER has info on that too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well you have a right to be mad.  But that&#8217;s precisely my point &#8212; that many people have a history of organizing and going from a university with a situation like yours to one that&#8217;s far more responsible and supportive, and it definitley can be done.</p>
<p>You can also threaten them with the Clery Act, since I&#8217;m positive that if they&#8217;re reporting a 0% statistic they&#8217;re not following it, and that can get them into a whole shitload of legal trouble.  I hear that often works, and I&#8217;m pretty positive that SAFER has info on that too.</p>
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		<title>By: MzBitca</title>
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		<dc:creator>MzBitca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cara,

I completely agree, however, there&#039;s a reason my alma mater has a 0% rape statistic and It&#039;s not cause of the upstanding men.  I believe they pressure the SAAFE house director to discourage reporting and blatanly tell women that if they are underage, drinking and get assaulted they will be arrested for drinking....but please report your assault.  This girl was promised by a higher up in the University&#039;s administration that nothing would happen to the sorority if she reported what happened, she did and two days later the sorority was suspended for having an unregistered party...and the girl was told it was her job to handle her assault situation, without help from the SAAFE office or administration.  I&#039;m still seeing red about the situation if you can&#039;t tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cara,</p>
<p>I completely agree, however, there&#8217;s a reason my alma mater has a 0% rape statistic and It&#8217;s not cause of the upstanding men.  I believe they pressure the SAAFE house director to discourage reporting and blatanly tell women that if they are underage, drinking and get assaulted they will be arrested for drinking&#8230;.but please report your assault.  This girl was promised by a higher up in the University&#8217;s administration that nothing would happen to the sorority if she reported what happened, she did and two days later the sorority was suspended for having an unregistered party&#8230;and the girl was told it was her job to handle her assault situation, without help from the SAAFE office or administration.  I&#8217;m still seeing red about the situation if you can&#8217;t tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assholes.  Well I do know that SAFER is supposed to be absolutely NOTHING like that.  You should check out &lt;a href=http://safercampus.org/blog rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;their blog&lt;/a&gt; -- they have some of the best writing on sexual violence out there, and they are actually about real prevention and justice programs that don&#039;t put the onus on the victim.  Definitely sounds like you need some new anti-sexual violence leaders there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assholes.  Well I do know that SAFER is supposed to be absolutely NOTHING like that.  You should check out <a href=http://safercampus.org/blog rel="nofollow">their blog</a> &#8212; they have some of the best writing on sexual violence out there, and they are actually about real prevention and justice programs that don&#8217;t put the onus on the victim.  Definitely sounds like you need some new anti-sexual violence leaders there.</p>
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