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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/09/04/thoughts-on-palin-speech/#comment-7361</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 07:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just when I think it&#039;s time to take a break from the media circus that is Sarah Palin, I read this on the ABC News site:

McCain Camp Says She Won&#039;t Do Interviews Until It Knows She&#039;ll Be Treated with &quot;Deference&quot;

http://tinyurl.com/5svvo7

Apparently her anti-women politics and complicity with a Misogynistic McCain weren&#039;t enough. Now she&#039;s asking for special treatment in the press. It seems that despite all the posturing about being a &quot;pit bull&quot;, a &quot;barracuda&quot;, and calling Hillary a &quot;whiner, she&#039;s sending a pretty clear message that when it&#039;s time make the same media rounds the MEN in this election are making, women &quot;vying for high positions of power are going to curl up in a little ball and cry when you treat them as though they’re vying for a high position of power&quot;.

I&#039;m getting that feeling like my head is gonna explode. Again. Argh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just when I think it&#8217;s time to take a break from the media circus that is Sarah Palin, I read this on the ABC News site:</p>
<p>McCain Camp Says She Won&#8217;t Do Interviews Until It Knows She&#8217;ll Be Treated with &#8220;Deference&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/5svvo7" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5svvo7</a></p>
<p>Apparently her anti-women politics and complicity with a Misogynistic McCain weren&#8217;t enough. Now she&#8217;s asking for special treatment in the press. It seems that despite all the posturing about being a &#8220;pit bull&#8221;, a &#8220;barracuda&#8221;, and calling Hillary a &#8220;whiner, she&#8217;s sending a pretty clear message that when it&#8217;s time make the same media rounds the MEN in this election are making, women &#8220;vying for high positions of power are going to curl up in a little ball and cry when you treat them as though they’re vying for a high position of power&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting that feeling like my head is gonna explode. Again. Argh.</p>
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		<title>By: So, what exactly is wrong with community organizing?</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/09/04/thoughts-on-palin-speech/#comment-7325</link>
		<dc:creator>So, what exactly is wrong with community organizing?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] something and think, wow, I should write about that, and I find out that Cara at The Curvature has already done so eloquently. This one merits many commentaries though, so I&#8217;m going to dive into what I hope is a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] something and think, wow, I should write about that, and I find out that Cara at The Curvature has already done so eloquently. This one merits many commentaries though, so I&#8217;m going to dive into what I hope is a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: octogalore</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/09/04/thoughts-on-palin-speech/#comment-7319</link>
		<dc:creator>octogalore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ali and Jenna -- I am not criticizing c&#039;ty organizers.  Having read Obama&#039;s book, I am impressed by his work.  He did not, however, have a budget to balance in the sense that an executive owner does.  He built up funds (in the hundreds of thousands) to be used for his organization&#039;s work.  Which is commendable.

He was not balancing an entire city budget which is typically in the millions.  Similarly, someone sitting on a board, which is also critically important work, who is given a budget is not responsible for overall asset planning but adminsters a budget for specific purposes.  Please understand that I am not knocking either activity, but trying to illustrate why the Republicans were trying to say there is a closer parallel between mayor: VP than community organizer: President.  

Obviously, Obama has experience beyond that, in the Senate.  Not disagreeing with that, and obviously there&#039;s no question in my mind about whose social policies gibe more closely, point by point, with my own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ali and Jenna &#8212; I am not criticizing c&#8217;ty organizers.  Having read Obama&#8217;s book, I am impressed by his work.  He did not, however, have a budget to balance in the sense that an executive owner does.  He built up funds (in the hundreds of thousands) to be used for his organization&#8217;s work.  Which is commendable.</p>
<p>He was not balancing an entire city budget which is typically in the millions.  Similarly, someone sitting on a board, which is also critically important work, who is given a budget is not responsible for overall asset planning but adminsters a budget for specific purposes.  Please understand that I am not knocking either activity, but trying to illustrate why the Republicans were trying to say there is a closer parallel between mayor: VP than community organizer: President.  </p>
<p>Obviously, Obama has experience beyond that, in the Senate.  Not disagreeing with that, and obviously there&#8217;s no question in my mind about whose social policies gibe more closely, point by point, with my own.</p>
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		<title>By: Lemur</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/09/04/thoughts-on-palin-speech/#comment-7318</link>
		<dc:creator>Lemur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cara, have you seen the &lt;a href=&quot;http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-calls-herself-feminist-but.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article at Shakesville about Palin&#039;s introductions of her kids?&lt;/a&gt; Twice at least, she spends 90% of the intro on her two boys, and then she&#039;s like &quot;Oh, and these other kids here&quot;. It&#039;s an interesting thread. Just thought I&#039;d mention it, as I think it points to how much she fails to value women and girls, even her own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cara, have you seen the <a href="http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-calls-herself-feminist-but.html" rel="nofollow">article at Shakesville about Palin&#8217;s introductions of her kids?</a> Twice at least, she spends 90% of the intro on her two boys, and then she&#8217;s like &#8220;Oh, and these other kids here&#8221;. It&#8217;s an interesting thread. Just thought I&#8217;d mention it, as I think it points to how much she fails to value women and girls, even her own.</p>
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		<title>By: ali(son carrington)</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/09/04/thoughts-on-palin-speech/#comment-7316</link>
		<dc:creator>ali(son carrington)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you really want to talk facts, read this article:  

http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/09/why-do-republic.html

Community organizers actually DO oversee budgets, and staffing - not that I agree with your intimation that those &quot;hardcore&quot; responsibilities make someone &quot;qualified&quot; or &quot;unqualified&quot; for the highest executive position in America. I DO think that his desire to help support and lead a struggling community - with virtually no personal incentive other than an innate desire to help those who feel they cannot help themselves become stronger and more prosperous - is probably the single highest qualification I can think of for someone who must inspire and lead our country out of the giant hole eight years of Republican mis-administration has put us in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you really want to talk facts, read this article:  </p>
<p><a href="http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/09/why-do-republic.html" rel="nofollow">http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/09/why-do-republic.html</a></p>
<p>Community organizers actually DO oversee budgets, and staffing &#8211; not that I agree with your intimation that those &#8220;hardcore&#8221; responsibilities make someone &#8220;qualified&#8221; or &#8220;unqualified&#8221; for the highest executive position in America. I DO think that his desire to help support and lead a struggling community &#8211; with virtually no personal incentive other than an innate desire to help those who feel they cannot help themselves become stronger and more prosperous &#8211; is probably the single highest qualification I can think of for someone who must inspire and lead our country out of the giant hole eight years of Republican mis-administration has put us in.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenna</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/09/04/thoughts-on-palin-speech/#comment-7315</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to have to disagree with you.  I have sat and headed a few boards in a volunteer capacity and not only did I have a budget, but I can virtually gaurantee you that my budget as a &lt;i&gt;mere&lt;/i&gt; &quot;community organizer&quot; was much larger than a small town&#039;s budget in Alaska (as my budget was in the tens of millions range and the organization served more than 300,000 needy people in the course of one fiscal year).  And it also greatly depends upon what type of leadership the town employs.  The town I grew up in had a powerful mayor position and the mayor had many more responsibilities and decisions to make than the city council or city manager.  The small town I went to college in had a puppet mayor and a strong city council/city manager.  If this town in Alaska enjoys the second form of government, then Palin didn&#039;t actually have that many responsibilities other than photo-op&#039;s at schools and special awards.  

And I still believe that it shows the Republicans to be a rather elitist group who dumped all over the hard work of average Americans who volunteer to help their communities.  Not all of us have off-shore tax shelters to ensure our &quot;equality&quot; and access to goods and services.  Thus, &quot;community organizers&quot; are responsible for many of us enjoying a better quality of life.  To sneer at that, in my opinion, is unacceptable by &lt;i&gt;ANY&lt;/i&gt; party or person.  

AND it&#039;s not the &lt;i&gt;ONLY&lt;/i&gt; job &lt;b&gt;Senator&lt;/b&gt; Obama has had.  Making it seem like it has been is disingenous as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to have to disagree with you.  I have sat and headed a few boards in a volunteer capacity and not only did I have a budget, but I can virtually gaurantee you that my budget as a <i>mere</i> &#8220;community organizer&#8221; was much larger than a small town&#8217;s budget in Alaska (as my budget was in the tens of millions range and the organization served more than 300,000 needy people in the course of one fiscal year).  And it also greatly depends upon what type of leadership the town employs.  The town I grew up in had a powerful mayor position and the mayor had many more responsibilities and decisions to make than the city council or city manager.  The small town I went to college in had a puppet mayor and a strong city council/city manager.  If this town in Alaska enjoys the second form of government, then Palin didn&#8217;t actually have that many responsibilities other than photo-op&#8217;s at schools and special awards.  </p>
<p>And I still believe that it shows the Republicans to be a rather elitist group who dumped all over the hard work of average Americans who volunteer to help their communities.  Not all of us have off-shore tax shelters to ensure our &#8220;equality&#8221; and access to goods and services.  Thus, &#8220;community organizers&#8221; are responsible for many of us enjoying a better quality of life.  To sneer at that, in my opinion, is unacceptable by <i>ANY</i> party or person.  </p>
<p>AND it&#8217;s not the <i>ONLY</i> job <b>Senator</b> Obama has had.  Making it seem like it has been is disingenous as well.</p>
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		<title>By: octogalore</title>
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		<dc:creator>octogalore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  It was snarky, but then both sides and their surrogates have had snarky lines.  Factually, a mayor has a budget and more hardcore responsibilities than any volunteer position, no matter how important or worthwhile.  So whoever wrote that line -- it wasn&#039;t a bad way to get across that here&#039;s someone who&#039;s had to run something that required specific rules and budgeets.  Should she have slammed the CO job along the way?  Probably not, but none of them seem to have their gloves on at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  It was snarky, but then both sides and their surrogates have had snarky lines.  Factually, a mayor has a budget and more hardcore responsibilities than any volunteer position, no matter how important or worthwhile.  So whoever wrote that line &#8212; it wasn&#8217;t a bad way to get across that here&#8217;s someone who&#8217;s had to run something that required specific rules and budgeets.  Should she have slammed the CO job along the way?  Probably not, but none of them seem to have their gloves on at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/09/04/thoughts-on-palin-speech/#comment-7312</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It struck me that RG and SP were saying it’s a resume bullet point for law school, not the Presidency. Dems have similarly critiqued the idea of being a mayor of a small town, not saying being a mayor is something to be ashamed of but just saying it’s not adequate.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

See, that would be one thing, but they were being &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; snarky about it, and one of Palin&#039;s actual comments was: &lt;a href=http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=35125 rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;“I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a ‘community organizer,’ except that you have actual responsibilities.” &lt;/a&gt;  That seems to me an awful lot more like belittling &lt;i&gt;the actual job&lt;/i&gt; rather than whether or not it&#039;s adequate experience to be president (and on its own, I&#039;d agree that probably not).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It struck me that RG and SP were saying it’s a resume bullet point for law school, not the Presidency. Dems have similarly critiqued the idea of being a mayor of a small town, not saying being a mayor is something to be ashamed of but just saying it’s not adequate.</p></blockquote>
<p>See, that would be one thing, but they were being <i>really</i> snarky about it, and one of Palin&#8217;s actual comments was: <a href=http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=35125 rel="nofollow">“I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a ‘community organizer,’ except that you have actual responsibilities.” </a>  That seems to me an awful lot more like belittling <i>the actual job</i> rather than whether or not it&#8217;s adequate experience to be president (and on its own, I&#8217;d agree that probably not).</p>
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		<title>By: octogalore</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/09/04/thoughts-on-palin-speech/#comment-7311</link>
		<dc:creator>octogalore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 20:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points about how fear of seeming sexist shouldn&#039;t prevent substantive critique.

Also was shocked (or not) by the sexist pins, a la &quot;hottest VP.&quot;  

The community organizing comments didn&#039;t bug me so much.  I didn&#039;t see those as belittling community organizing in itself as much as comparing resumes and saying it doesn&#039;t translate to time in federal politics.  It struck me that RG and SP were saying it&#039;s a resume bullet point for law school, not the Presidency.  Dems have similarly critiqued the idea of being a mayor of a small town, not saying being a mayor is something to be ashamed of but just saying it&#039;s not adequate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points about how fear of seeming sexist shouldn&#8217;t prevent substantive critique.</p>
<p>Also was shocked (or not) by the sexist pins, a la &#8220;hottest VP.&#8221;  </p>
<p>The community organizing comments didn&#8217;t bug me so much.  I didn&#8217;t see those as belittling community organizing in itself as much as comparing resumes and saying it doesn&#8217;t translate to time in federal politics.  It struck me that RG and SP were saying it&#8217;s a resume bullet point for law school, not the Presidency.  Dems have similarly critiqued the idea of being a mayor of a small town, not saying being a mayor is something to be ashamed of but just saying it&#8217;s not adequate.</p>
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		<title>By: frau sally benz</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/09/04/thoughts-on-palin-speech/#comment-7310</link>
		<dc:creator>frau sally benz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 20:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I actually think that I was reacting more to her seeming cluelessness when it came to working the stage, the basic walk around waving thing.&lt;/i&gt;

I wasn&#039;t even paying attention anymore by that point, but I see what you&#039;re saying.

Renee, &lt;a href=&quot;http://takeajump.blogspot.com/2008/09/my-physical-reaction-to-rnc.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I share your sentiment&lt;/a&gt;. I&#039;m still sort of shocked by Giuliani. (I think by now you&#039;ve gathered that I didn&#039;t much enjoy the night.) It&#039;s almost unbelievable to me that he has the audacity to still harp about 9/11; by that point nobody remembered he was still in office. He needs to stop trying to play the hero and realize when your humility should speak louder than your words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I actually think that I was reacting more to her seeming cluelessness when it came to working the stage, the basic walk around waving thing.</i></p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t even paying attention anymore by that point, but I see what you&#8217;re saying.</p>
<p>Renee, <a href="http://takeajump.blogspot.com/2008/09/my-physical-reaction-to-rnc.html" rel="nofollow">I share your sentiment</a>. I&#8217;m still sort of shocked by Giuliani. (I think by now you&#8217;ve gathered that I didn&#8217;t much enjoy the night.) It&#8217;s almost unbelievable to me that he has the audacity to still harp about 9/11; by that point nobody remembered he was still in office. He needs to stop trying to play the hero and realize when your humility should speak louder than your words.</p>
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