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		<title>By: What is the Future of Abstinence-Only Sex Education? : The Curvature</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/10/31/democrats-still-backing-anti-choice-candidates/#comment-9722</link>
		<dc:creator>What is the Future of Abstinence-Only Sex Education? : The Curvature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] second is that even though Congress is Democratic, there are plenty of anti-choice Democrats in the ranks.  As the above article notes, the Democrats have repeatedly voted to continue abstinence-only [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] second is that even though Congress is Democratic, there are plenty of anti-choice Democrats in the ranks.  As the above article notes, the Democrats have repeatedly voted to continue abstinence-only [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SunlessNick</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/10/31/democrats-still-backing-anti-choice-candidates/#comment-8470</link>
		<dc:creator>SunlessNick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;By stopping it they would be saving “lives”. Pro choice to them is pro death. It’s all perspective.&lt;/blockquote&gt;And their perspective is wrong.  And yes, on this issue I am a moral absolutist.  As I said in my first post, any claim to respect for life is hollow when it has to be built on the appropriated bodies of already real and living people.

Consider that no living person has the rights that anti-choicers wish to grant a foetus.  Does a foetus have a right to live?  Actually, yes I think it does.  But does it have the right for another&#039;s body to be placed at its disposal regardless of her wishes?  No.  I have a right to live to, and a right to receive blood should I be traumatically injured.  But that right does not extend to another&#039;s blood being forcibly taken to ensure my survival, even in quantities so small as to not harm them.  And if that means, I die, I die.

That&#039;s how it is with a foetus.  Its right to life does not give it greater rights over a woman&#039;s body than she has herself.  And if that means it dies, it dies.

Deny that, and you don&#039;t have a pro-life attitude, you just have a cult of the foetus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>By stopping it they would be saving “lives”. Pro choice to them is pro death. It’s all perspective.</p></blockquote>
<p>And their perspective is wrong.  And yes, on this issue I am a moral absolutist.  As I said in my first post, any claim to respect for life is hollow when it has to be built on the appropriated bodies of already real and living people.</p>
<p>Consider that no living person has the rights that anti-choicers wish to grant a foetus.  Does a foetus have a right to live?  Actually, yes I think it does.  But does it have the right for another&#8217;s body to be placed at its disposal regardless of her wishes?  No.  I have a right to live to, and a right to receive blood should I be traumatically injured.  But that right does not extend to another&#8217;s blood being forcibly taken to ensure my survival, even in quantities so small as to not harm them.  And if that means, I die, I die.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s how it is with a foetus.  Its right to life does not give it greater rights over a woman&#8217;s body than she has herself.  And if that means it dies, it dies.</p>
<p>Deny that, and you don&#8217;t have a pro-life attitude, you just have a cult of the foetus.</p>
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		<title>By: Neon</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/10/31/democrats-still-backing-anti-choice-candidates/#comment-8464</link>
		<dc:creator>Neon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not for notification but the majority of people are. That&#039;s why most states have them. If a minor is over sixteen then their medical records are their own business but under sixteen it&#039;s a different issue altogether. 

It&#039;s still not neutral. People on the right count the life inside the mother as a person so, as they see it, it&#039;s genocide. By stopping it they would be saving &quot;lives&quot;. Pro choice to them is pro death. It&#039;s all perspective. 

Sunless, it&#039;s nowhere near that clear of a distinction. Half of the country would describe you as pro-choice and the other half would describe you as pro-murder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not for notification but the majority of people are. That&#8217;s why most states have them. If a minor is over sixteen then their medical records are their own business but under sixteen it&#8217;s a different issue altogether. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s still not neutral. People on the right count the life inside the mother as a person so, as they see it, it&#8217;s genocide. By stopping it they would be saving &#8220;lives&#8221;. Pro choice to them is pro death. It&#8217;s all perspective. </p>
<p>Sunless, it&#8217;s nowhere near that clear of a distinction. Half of the country would describe you as pro-choice and the other half would describe you as pro-murder.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/10/31/democrats-still-backing-anti-choice-candidates/#comment-8463</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No it&#039;s not.  Parental notification laws are laws which promote forced birth and put teen girls lives and health at risk.  If you want o learn more, you can search &quot;parental notification&quot; on this blog.

As for the language, I use language that is accurate.  I don&#039;t care what the other side calls themselves, except that it&#039;s false advertising.  You can&#039;t call yourself &quot;pro-life&quot; when your policies result in untold deaths of women when implemented.  I&#039;m more or less fine with them calling themselves anti-abortion, though.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s entirely accurate, but it&#039;s a huge improvement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No it&#8217;s not.  Parental notification laws are laws which promote forced birth and put teen girls lives and health at risk.  If you want o learn more, you can search &#8220;parental notification&#8221; on this blog.</p>
<p>As for the language, I use language that is accurate.  I don&#8217;t care what the other side calls themselves, except that it&#8217;s false advertising.  You can&#8217;t call yourself &#8220;pro-life&#8221; when your policies result in untold deaths of women when implemented.  I&#8217;m more or less fine with them calling themselves anti-abortion, though.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s entirely accurate, but it&#8217;s a huge improvement.</p>
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		<title>By: SunlessNick</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/10/31/democrats-still-backing-anti-choice-candidates/#comment-8462</link>
		<dc:creator>SunlessNick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I’ll give you that, but I don’t buy into the terrible choice/anti-choice language.&lt;/em&gt;

Why?  You&#039;re either for the woman having the right to make decisions about her body or you&#039;re against it.  Pro-/anti-choice is the only accurate term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I’ll give you that, but I don’t buy into the terrible choice/anti-choice language.</em></p>
<p>Why?  You&#8217;re either for the woman having the right to make decisions about her body or you&#8217;re against it.  Pro-/anti-choice is the only accurate term.</p>
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		<title>By: Neon</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/10/31/democrats-still-backing-anti-choice-candidates/#comment-8461</link>
		<dc:creator>Neon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have problem with the language involved in the abortion issue. You can&#039;t phrase in a neutral sense. People (other than myself) aren&#039;t going to say that they are pro abortion just like they aren&#039;t going to say they are anti-choice. 

    The states are quickly adopting the parental notification issue one by one, it seems to be the one area in this debate where consensus can be reached. Some states go overboard on regulations though, specifically, requiring the mother to see the embryo/fetus before it&#039;s aborted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have problem with the language involved in the abortion issue. You can&#8217;t phrase in a neutral sense. People (other than myself) aren&#8217;t going to say that they are pro abortion just like they aren&#8217;t going to say they are anti-choice. </p>
<p>    The states are quickly adopting the parental notification issue one by one, it seems to be the one area in this debate where consensus can be reached. Some states go overboard on regulations though, specifically, requiring the mother to see the embryo/fetus before it&#8217;s aborted.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/10/31/democrats-still-backing-anti-choice-candidates/#comment-8460</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it would be pro-choice, and I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if you&#039;re correct in saying that it wouldn&#039;t pass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it would be pro-choice, and I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if you&#8217;re correct in saying that it wouldn&#8217;t pass.</p>
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		<title>By: Neon</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/10/31/democrats-still-backing-anti-choice-candidates/#comment-8459</link>
		<dc:creator>Neon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pro-abortion is a bad term, I&#039;ll give you that, but I don&#039;t buy into the terrible choice/anti-choice language. Let&#039;s say that the congress wanted to make parental notification illegal, I don&#039;t think it would pass. That bill would be pro-abortion rights, correct?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pro-abortion is a bad term, I&#8217;ll give you that, but I don&#8217;t buy into the terrible choice/anti-choice language. Let&#8217;s say that the congress wanted to make parental notification illegal, I don&#8217;t think it would pass. That bill would be pro-abortion rights, correct?</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/10/31/democrats-still-backing-anti-choice-candidates/#comment-8458</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no such thing as &quot;pro-abortion&quot;  legislation.  At least not that any pro-choice person would support.  Pro-abortion legislation is providing initiatives for women to have abortions rather than give birth, or forcing them to.  What we&#039;re looking for is legislation that is pro-abortion &lt;i&gt;rights&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no such thing as &#8220;pro-abortion&#8221;  legislation.  At least not that any pro-choice person would support.  Pro-abortion legislation is providing initiatives for women to have abortions rather than give birth, or forcing them to.  What we&#8217;re looking for is legislation that is pro-abortion <i>rights</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Neon</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/10/31/democrats-still-backing-anti-choice-candidates/#comment-8455</link>
		<dc:creator>Neon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The link you posted makes a good case for my assumption about abortion legislation. To stop a bill all they would need would be the anti-abortion people and half of the moderates. Legislation concerning this issue is largely up the air. If they do pass radically pro abortion legislation then they will lose their near majority in the senate in 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link you posted makes a good case for my assumption about abortion legislation. To stop a bill all they would need would be the anti-abortion people and half of the moderates. Legislation concerning this issue is largely up the air. If they do pass radically pro abortion legislation then they will lose their near majority in the senate in 2010.</p>
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