The Californian people voted to remove someones rights which were already in place. To give bigotry a home and let it fester in their hearts and minds.

In the hearts and minds of their children.

I also question why this went to vote.
To ask people to vote to give rights to a minority, a minority which is seen as less then second class citizens by some, is like asking people to vote on giving Bin Laden political asylum.

Human rights should not be debated and voted on, they should be granted without fanfare or question.

Second, about the sex-worker thing. I don’t understand why feminist are against this proposal. Most sex workers are female, and if it was legal then those women would have more protection. It’s comparable to thinking if we outlaw abortion it will end, but we all know it will actually only move underground, and womens’ lives will be at risk.

Because the “Yes on 8″ campaign was all about kids and evil liberal teachers teaching them about sex, not gay marriage. The ads pretty much only mentioned same-sex relationships in code or with regards to children being “exposed” to such things.

Not that I’m not extremely disappointed and initially shocked. But keep in mind that Prop 8 has passed in CA before – by a much wider margin – it was simply shot down by the courts. While it’s very NOT GOOD that it passed, and the possibility of overturning it doesn’t help anybody right now, there is hope for the future in the fact that even will all the money thrown at it and everything else that helped it get passed, an initiative that is prime pickings for using as an example of judges (supposedly) overstepping their bounds passed by such a narrow margin. Also cause for hope is the fact that the “Yes on 8″ campaign was (rightfully) scared to come clean about what the initiative was really about. A decently funded campaign that focuses on same sex couples and their families has a decent shot of overturning Prop 8.

The part that’s frustrating about 4 is that I’m pretty sure the margins on that one did not change in our favor. (Because yeah, they’ve tried that one before, too.)

On the less vomit-making side, hey, we got Death with Dignity up here in Washington!

My father died in agony instead of dignity, (even with all the ‘benefits’ of modern pain control) so this makes me positively giddy for the future.

Also, apparently the same jackholes who oppose abortion can’t stand euthanasia, so the extra ‘fuck you’ to them is just a bonus, I guess. I was happy to see them pour millions of wasted dollars into this campaign.

(here’s a list of donors, http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pe2023SzWXxE8wYX5qWeoIw)

however, as the law took away an existing right i’m believe it will eventually wind its way to the U.S. Supreme Court… and will be struck down. permanently… all across the land.

As for Prop 8 – all they have achieved is a postponement of the inevitible and will be remembered in the future as harshly as we remember James O. Eastland or Theodore Bilbo today.

Agreed.

I’d also just like to add to my last comment, in case it’s not clear to anyone, that I certainly do not support a system whereby one has to do something like get married in order to find health insurance. Everyone should have access to health care, regardless of anything, including marital status. But this is, very unfortunately, the system we currently live in.