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		<title>By: Caitlin</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/11/15/top-5-anti-feminist-beatles-songs/#comment-14611</link>
		<dc:creator>Caitlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 03:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also &quot;Another Girl&quot; is pretty bad. They have some songs that, when you listen to the lyrics, are pretty terrible, but how can you not love them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also &#8220;Another Girl&#8221; is pretty bad. They have some songs that, when you listen to the lyrics, are pretty terrible, but how can you not love them?</p>
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		<title>By: Salome</title>
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		<dc:creator>Salome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 04:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rebecca - I didn&#039;t believe the Norwegian Wood story until I found an interview with John or Paul confirming that it was indeed about burning her house down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebecca &#8211; I didn&#8217;t believe the Norwegian Wood story until I found an interview with John or Paul confirming that it was indeed about burning her house down.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a feminist and a huge Beatles fan and I agree with your list, on the other hand I do not agree with the people that are saying Getting Better and Norwegian Wood are sexist. The line in Getting Better I have always took as him regretting his past actions towards women. It is like him saying &quot;yes I was an abusive sexist man in the past but I realize how wrong that is and am trying to move past it and become a better person&quot;. 

Norwegian Wood is so obviously about a women trying to sleep with him not the other way around. She implies that he sit on her bed but instead he sits on the floor. The &quot;I lit a fire&quot; line is not about him setting her house on fire, it is him lighting a cigarette. The lyrics are so clear I am not sure how someone could take the song as sexist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a feminist and a huge Beatles fan and I agree with your list, on the other hand I do not agree with the people that are saying Getting Better and Norwegian Wood are sexist. The line in Getting Better I have always took as him regretting his past actions towards women. It is like him saying &#8220;yes I was an abusive sexist man in the past but I realize how wrong that is and am trying to move past it and become a better person&#8221;. </p>
<p>Norwegian Wood is so obviously about a women trying to sleep with him not the other way around. She implies that he sit on her bed but instead he sits on the floor. The &#8220;I lit a fire&#8221; line is not about him setting her house on fire, it is him lighting a cigarette. The lyrics are so clear I am not sure how someone could take the song as sexist.</p>
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		<title>By: Salome</title>
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		<dc:creator>Salome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 08:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to have to concur with some earlier posters in terms of what I thought about &quot;You Like Me Too Much,&quot; about it sounding like a pair of rather confused lovers.  Also, &quot;You Won&#039;t See Me&quot; sounded to me more like it was about two people who were in a relationship but where the one was playing games with and confusing the other, rather than the speaker stalking someone who was clearly not interested.  I guess this interpretation is colored by the fact that Paul wrote it about the rather rough patch he was going through in his relationship with Jane Asher - which, as he later admitted, was largely about him not understanding at the time her desire to have her own life that didn&#039;t always involve him, and to forge an identity for herself apart from just being a &quot;Beatles girlfriend.&quot;  She wasn&#039;t really doing what he accused her of, but it&#039;s easy to see how his then-unenlightened mind could see it that way (not defending him, though).

I personally found that song rather consoling when I was desperately trying to get over a friend/crush who was being a dick and playing mind games with me, pretending to be my friend and then talking about me behind my back, during my senior year of high school.  It vocalized a lot of my frustration at the way my &quot;friend&quot; was treating me and helped me to get over him pretty fast.  So I suppose that the song, despite its clear misogyny, will have a special place in my heart if only for that reason.

It&#039;s fun to think, too, of how these songs would sound if the genders were reversed.  If I ever do get a rock band started of my own like I&#039;ve wanted to since age 12 (I&#039;ve got the musical skills, just not bandmates), I&#039;ve toyed with the idea of doing &quot;Under My Thumb&quot; with a female speaker talking about a boyfriend she&#039;s &quot;tamed.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to have to concur with some earlier posters in terms of what I thought about &#8220;You Like Me Too Much,&#8221; about it sounding like a pair of rather confused lovers.  Also, &#8220;You Won&#8217;t See Me&#8221; sounded to me more like it was about two people who were in a relationship but where the one was playing games with and confusing the other, rather than the speaker stalking someone who was clearly not interested.  I guess this interpretation is colored by the fact that Paul wrote it about the rather rough patch he was going through in his relationship with Jane Asher &#8211; which, as he later admitted, was largely about him not understanding at the time her desire to have her own life that didn&#8217;t always involve him, and to forge an identity for herself apart from just being a &#8220;Beatles girlfriend.&#8221;  She wasn&#8217;t really doing what he accused her of, but it&#8217;s easy to see how his then-unenlightened mind could see it that way (not defending him, though).</p>
<p>I personally found that song rather consoling when I was desperately trying to get over a friend/crush who was being a dick and playing mind games with me, pretending to be my friend and then talking about me behind my back, during my senior year of high school.  It vocalized a lot of my frustration at the way my &#8220;friend&#8221; was treating me and helped me to get over him pretty fast.  So I suppose that the song, despite its clear misogyny, will have a special place in my heart if only for that reason.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s fun to think, too, of how these songs would sound if the genders were reversed.  If I ever do get a rock band started of my own like I&#8217;ve wanted to since age 12 (I&#8217;ve got the musical skills, just not bandmates), I&#8217;ve toyed with the idea of doing &#8220;Under My Thumb&#8221; with a female speaker talking about a boyfriend she&#8217;s &#8220;tamed.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: orlando</title>
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		<dc:creator>orlando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 02:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m thinking of these Beatles posts as kind of permanently in circulation, and therefore not crazy to add a comment after such a long time. It just happens that this topic has come up in my life, due to the presence for the last year of my firstborn son. You see, when he was quite new I bought a whole bunch of Beatles albums because it seemed to me that they were exactly the right music to play to suit both children and adults. You know the way the chord progressions and harmonies are almost like nursery rhyme tunes, at times? Once I started playing them all the way through I was astonished at how much male entitlement came leaking out of them. Shorter John, Paul, George and Ringo: As soon as I decide I fancy a girl she owes me her love, body and undivided devotion, or she&#039;s a heartless, betraying bitch.

Given how young and untravelled they were when they started writing, I&#039;m pondering whether the lyrics owe more to their musical influences than their life influences. You can tell that they probably listened to a lot of the American country and western songs of the period, and I wonder if they simply thought that&#039;s what songs are supposed to be about: she broke my heart. Now let&#039;s work on the chords. 

Now I&#039;m torn between continuing to play them to develop my little boy&#039;s ear, and the fear of developing his place in the patriarchy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m thinking of these Beatles posts as kind of permanently in circulation, and therefore not crazy to add a comment after such a long time. It just happens that this topic has come up in my life, due to the presence for the last year of my firstborn son. You see, when he was quite new I bought a whole bunch of Beatles albums because it seemed to me that they were exactly the right music to play to suit both children and adults. You know the way the chord progressions and harmonies are almost like nursery rhyme tunes, at times? Once I started playing them all the way through I was astonished at how much male entitlement came leaking out of them. Shorter John, Paul, George and Ringo: As soon as I decide I fancy a girl she owes me her love, body and undivided devotion, or she&#8217;s a heartless, betraying bitch.</p>
<p>Given how young and untravelled they were when they started writing, I&#8217;m pondering whether the lyrics owe more to their musical influences than their life influences. You can tell that they probably listened to a lot of the American country and western songs of the period, and I wonder if they simply thought that&#8217;s what songs are supposed to be about: she broke my heart. Now let&#8217;s work on the chords. </p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m torn between continuing to play them to develop my little boy&#8217;s ear, and the fear of developing his place in the patriarchy.</p>
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		<title>By: Renee K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renee K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting thread.  I actually made it through all the comments.  I can see your point with the songs, but I still like them.  :-)  It&#039;s fun reading insightful posts from a fellow Beatles fan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thread.  I actually made it through all the comments.  I can see your point with the songs, but I still like them.  :-)  It&#8217;s fun reading insightful posts from a fellow Beatles fan.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahahahaha . . . that&#039;s actually kind awesome :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahahahaha . . . that&#8217;s actually kind awesome :)</p>
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		<title>By: wiggles</title>
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		<dc:creator>wiggles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the explainin&#039; :) I wonder what happened between Paul and Yoko. I guess when people get on in years, they just get tired of fighting with each other.
I tried googling for statements from Paul re: misogyny and chauvinism and all that really comes up is this post and some MRA message board that links to this post (lucky you).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the explainin&#8217; :) I wonder what happened between Paul and Yoko. I guess when people get on in years, they just get tired of fighting with each other.<br />
I tried googling for statements from Paul re: misogyny and chauvinism and all that really comes up is this post and some MRA message board that links to this post (lucky you).</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s only within the past couple of years.  They used to avoid each other as much as possible, and as recent as five years ago, they wouldn&#039;t speak to each other unless they were both expected to show up to some kind of Beatles event.  Ten years ago, they wouldn&#039;t speak to each other unless one of them was suing the other :)

But a couple of years ago, Yoko went out to Liverpool and saw a fashion show of Stella&#039;s, and then to Paul&#039;s concert afterward.  She was there sitting next to him in the audience, and they seemed to be enjoying each other&#039;s company, which was really odd.  Then at the concert, Paul performed A Day in the Life, the first time a Beatle had ever performed the song live, as a dedication to John, and Yoko seemed to really appreciate that.  That was the first time I remember thinking &quot;wait, what, this is totally new.&quot;  I thought it would pass, and they&#039;d be at each other&#039;s throats again soon, but so far so good.  They seem to show up and do a lot of things together that they never would have before.  Like Paul&#039;s Meat Free Monday initiative -- Yoko flew out to help him launch that and promote it last week!  A couple of years ago, Paul &lt;I&gt;never, ever&lt;/i&gt; would have invited her (he didn&#039;t invite her to his wedding to Heather Mills! He also wasn&#039;t at the dedication for the Imagine Peace Tower, and while some have claimed it&#039;s because he had a court date, I call bullshit).  And if he had, she probably would have er, had to be somewhere else.  Then they both ended up doing the 64 words for Aung San Suu Kyi thing.  And that was totally Yoko&#039;s deal first, and way more her area, and so I can only assume that she told Paul about it and got him involved.

It&#039;s kind of cool.  Because, I&#039;ll admit, I did used to get a fair amount of amusement out of Yoko suing Paul when he totally deserved it.  And Paul trying to make excuses for his being a douche, and Yoko responding with gracious statements that were sweet as pie and made him look even more like an ass.  But I like the two of them getting along way better.  It&#039;s probably a million times more healthy for them.  It&#039;s great to contrast the 1994 pictures of Paul and Yoko at John&#039;s induction for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and how awkward and displeased they look to be in each other&#039;s company, and see the tons of photos of them now greeting each other with wide smiles and big hugs.  They seem really genuine, and after all this time, I don&#039;t know why they&#039;d bother to start faking it &lt;i&gt;now&lt;/i&gt;.

Anyway, end of that novel.  As for Paul&#039;s admitted misogyny . . . unfortunately, as most of these things are, it&#039;s scattered all over a bunch of different interviews and such.  I&#039;ve read a lot fewer Paul books than I have John books, though, so I might just not know a place :)  But there was a section in this little book all about the song Yesterday, called Yesterday and Today, where Paul talks about his relationship with Jane and how he was a dick, and while it makes the &quot;that&#039;s how it was&quot; excuse, talks about how he used to feel that women were there to tend to their men and stay at home and cook and clean for them and not have jobs of their own, and admits &quot;I was a bit of a chauvinist.&quot;  Most of the other places I know of are just other people reporting on his misogyny third hand.

(And yes,  my first instinctual thought was &quot;oh for fuck&#039;s sake, I&#039;m still getting more of these????&quot;  LOL.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s only within the past couple of years.  They used to avoid each other as much as possible, and as recent as five years ago, they wouldn&#8217;t speak to each other unless they were both expected to show up to some kind of Beatles event.  Ten years ago, they wouldn&#8217;t speak to each other unless one of them was suing the other :)</p>
<p>But a couple of years ago, Yoko went out to Liverpool and saw a fashion show of Stella&#8217;s, and then to Paul&#8217;s concert afterward.  She was there sitting next to him in the audience, and they seemed to be enjoying each other&#8217;s company, which was really odd.  Then at the concert, Paul performed A Day in the Life, the first time a Beatle had ever performed the song live, as a dedication to John, and Yoko seemed to really appreciate that.  That was the first time I remember thinking &#8220;wait, what, this is totally new.&#8221;  I thought it would pass, and they&#8217;d be at each other&#8217;s throats again soon, but so far so good.  They seem to show up and do a lot of things together that they never would have before.  Like Paul&#8217;s Meat Free Monday initiative &#8212; Yoko flew out to help him launch that and promote it last week!  A couple of years ago, Paul <i>never, ever</i> would have invited her (he didn&#8217;t invite her to his wedding to Heather Mills! He also wasn&#8217;t at the dedication for the Imagine Peace Tower, and while some have claimed it&#8217;s because he had a court date, I call bullshit).  And if he had, she probably would have er, had to be somewhere else.  Then they both ended up doing the 64 words for Aung San Suu Kyi thing.  And that was totally Yoko&#8217;s deal first, and way more her area, and so I can only assume that she told Paul about it and got him involved.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s kind of cool.  Because, I&#8217;ll admit, I did used to get a fair amount of amusement out of Yoko suing Paul when he totally deserved it.  And Paul trying to make excuses for his being a douche, and Yoko responding with gracious statements that were sweet as pie and made him look even more like an ass.  But I like the two of them getting along way better.  It&#8217;s probably a million times more healthy for them.  It&#8217;s great to contrast the 1994 pictures of Paul and Yoko at John&#8217;s induction for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and how awkward and displeased they look to be in each other&#8217;s company, and see the tons of photos of them now greeting each other with wide smiles and big hugs.  They seem really genuine, and after all this time, I don&#8217;t know why they&#8217;d bother to start faking it <i>now</i>.</p>
<p>Anyway, end of that novel.  As for Paul&#8217;s admitted misogyny . . . unfortunately, as most of these things are, it&#8217;s scattered all over a bunch of different interviews and such.  I&#8217;ve read a lot fewer Paul books than I have John books, though, so I might just not know a place :)  But there was a section in this little book all about the song Yesterday, called Yesterday and Today, where Paul talks about his relationship with Jane and how he was a dick, and while it makes the &#8220;that&#8217;s how it was&#8221; excuse, talks about how he used to feel that women were there to tend to their men and stay at home and cook and clean for them and not have jobs of their own, and admits &#8220;I was a bit of a chauvinist.&#8221;  Most of the other places I know of are just other people reporting on his misogyny third hand.</p>
<p>(And yes,  my first instinctual thought was &#8220;oh for fuck&#8217;s sake, I&#8217;m still getting more of these????&#8221;  LOL.)</p>
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		<title>By: wiggles</title>
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		<dc:creator>wiggles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 04:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet you saw the new comment in your mod queue and thought &#039;oh shit, not another one&#039; (lol)

George having no women at all in his concert for Bangladesh is pretty telling of the attitudes I suspect. The segment of the Anthology that I&#039;m referring to, if you ever want to look for it, is pretty much all about Elvis. How he influenced them and their thoughts on him in the later years. It might be a chapter on the DVD.
I didn&#039;t know Paul and Yoko were friends. That is really cool. Linda and Stella must have totally schooled him (though I&#039;m still not sure about that Heather Mills thing). I&#039;d like to hear more about Paul&#039;s later admitted misogyny, if you can point me in the right direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet you saw the new comment in your mod queue and thought &#8216;oh shit, not another one&#8217; (lol)</p>
<p>George having no women at all in his concert for Bangladesh is pretty telling of the attitudes I suspect. The segment of the Anthology that I&#8217;m referring to, if you ever want to look for it, is pretty much all about Elvis. How he influenced them and their thoughts on him in the later years. It might be a chapter on the DVD.<br />
I didn&#8217;t know Paul and Yoko were friends. That is really cool. Linda and Stella must have totally schooled him (though I&#8217;m still not sure about that Heather Mills thing). I&#8217;d like to hear more about Paul&#8217;s later admitted misogyny, if you can point me in the right direction.</p>
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