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		<title>By: Screaming Lemur: Femme-inism and Other Things</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/11/24/sd-anti-choicers-are-sad-that-women-still-have-rights/#comment-8826</link>
		<dc:creator>Screaming Lemur: Femme-inism and Other Things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;Did Your Mother Abort You?&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

What a stupid fucking question. ...I was gonna quote Cara&#039;s response to that, and then reply, but instead I&#039;m just gonna link to her article...
And instead of posting this as a long-ass comment on Cara&#039;s thread, I decided to post it here and see if...</description>
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<p>What a stupid fucking question. &#8230;I was gonna quote Cara&#8217;s response to that, and then reply, but instead I&#8217;m just gonna link to her article&#8230;<br />
And instead of posting this as a long-ass comment on Cara&#8217;s thread, I decided to post it here and see if&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mortality</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/11/24/sd-anti-choicers-are-sad-that-women-still-have-rights/#comment-8775</link>
		<dc:creator>Mortality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was planned for and wanted. My flatmate was not. Her mother would&#039;ve had an abortion if it had been legal back then (my flatmate is 43, and abortion on demand was legalised in the 70&#039;s in Sweden). As a result her mother and her have a terrible relationship. My flatmate says it would&#039;ve probably been better for her mother to have an abortion...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was planned for and wanted. My flatmate was not. Her mother would&#8217;ve had an abortion if it had been legal back then (my flatmate is 43, and abortion on demand was legalised in the 70&#8242;s in Sweden). As a result her mother and her have a terrible relationship. My flatmate says it would&#8217;ve probably been better for her mother to have an abortion&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Thealogian</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/11/24/sd-anti-choicers-are-sad-that-women-still-have-rights/#comment-8715</link>
		<dc:creator>Thealogian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In high school, I had a great lunch group that was very political and we often debated/discussed politics and social issues. There was this one girl who would always freak out when we talked about abortion rights. She screamed, she cried, but mostly she told us over and over again how &quot;she wasn&#039;t supposed to be here, she wasn&#039;t supposed to be alive&quot; because her mother&#039;s doctor recommended an abortion because she was an older woman with a heart condition and the pregnancy might kill her. Her mother decided to have her (faith, god, jesus, vodoo prayer yada yada yada). So, somehow this should mean that ALL ABORTIONS should be illegal. The logic never met the argument (in some way I think she had this vague idea that if women had faith--even those who had severe medical problems--&quot;God&quot; would take care of you and no woman, even for medical reasons, ever needed an abortion. Having faith was somehow a magic potion). 

Anyway, it was hard to argue with her because she was so raw about it--so emotional and fragile and then one day I just laid it out there. I told her: &quot;I&#039;m sorry that your parents have been emotionally abusing you for all of your life, telling you this story by your cradle and at your sweet sixteen party. I&#039;m sorry that they have done this to you--it is abusive. But, you have to understand that what other women do with their bodies does not erase your existence. It doesn&#039;t make your life invalid. Your mother made a choice. Every woman, especially those who may very well die as a result of pregnancy, deserves a choice. Please stop thinking that when we talk about abortion, that we are talking about YOU.&quot;

Anyway, the gist was the above. But, seriously, she was abused by her parents for religions and political purposes. She was one of those protesters at clinics who sobbed and wailed and seriously looked like she was going to have a seizure. It was nothing short of child abuse and her own obsessive ideation of the issue--again, as if to lose an argument on abortion could somehow bring about her own extinction. 

I bet that that is more common among Fundies who do regard birth/childbirth as &quot;Eve&#039;s curse&quot; more so than freely made choices about one&#039;s family and body. When all you can imagine is the punishment, the inevitability of motherhood, the idea that your mother might have had another path in life if she felt empowered to make choices (like, say, not to marry your asshole Dad, maybe to work on her career, etc.) if you are as selfish and insecure as many on Patriarchy Rocks side, well, abortion is all about YOU. 

peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In high school, I had a great lunch group that was very political and we often debated/discussed politics and social issues. There was this one girl who would always freak out when we talked about abortion rights. She screamed, she cried, but mostly she told us over and over again how &#8220;she wasn&#8217;t supposed to be here, she wasn&#8217;t supposed to be alive&#8221; because her mother&#8217;s doctor recommended an abortion because she was an older woman with a heart condition and the pregnancy might kill her. Her mother decided to have her (faith, god, jesus, vodoo prayer yada yada yada). So, somehow this should mean that ALL ABORTIONS should be illegal. The logic never met the argument (in some way I think she had this vague idea that if women had faith&#8211;even those who had severe medical problems&#8211;&#8221;God&#8221; would take care of you and no woman, even for medical reasons, ever needed an abortion. Having faith was somehow a magic potion). </p>
<p>Anyway, it was hard to argue with her because she was so raw about it&#8211;so emotional and fragile and then one day I just laid it out there. I told her: &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry that your parents have been emotionally abusing you for all of your life, telling you this story by your cradle and at your sweet sixteen party. I&#8217;m sorry that they have done this to you&#8211;it is abusive. But, you have to understand that what other women do with their bodies does not erase your existence. It doesn&#8217;t make your life invalid. Your mother made a choice. Every woman, especially those who may very well die as a result of pregnancy, deserves a choice. Please stop thinking that when we talk about abortion, that we are talking about YOU.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyway, the gist was the above. But, seriously, she was abused by her parents for religions and political purposes. She was one of those protesters at clinics who sobbed and wailed and seriously looked like she was going to have a seizure. It was nothing short of child abuse and her own obsessive ideation of the issue&#8211;again, as if to lose an argument on abortion could somehow bring about her own extinction. </p>
<p>I bet that that is more common among Fundies who do regard birth/childbirth as &#8220;Eve&#8217;s curse&#8221; more so than freely made choices about one&#8217;s family and body. When all you can imagine is the punishment, the inevitability of motherhood, the idea that your mother might have had another path in life if she felt empowered to make choices (like, say, not to marry your asshole Dad, maybe to work on her career, etc.) if you are as selfish and insecure as many on Patriarchy Rocks side, well, abortion is all about YOU. </p>
<p>peace</p>
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		<title>By: Jenna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“Did your Mother abort you?” Before they could answer, I answered for them, saying, “No, she did not. &lt;b&gt;She gave you life.&lt;/b&gt;”&lt;/blockquote&gt; Yes, she &lt;b&gt;CHOSE&lt;/b&gt; to give me life.  She was not compelled or required to do so.  No Woman is.  

Peace,
Jenna</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“Did your Mother abort you?” Before they could answer, I answered for them, saying, “No, she did not. <b>She gave you life.</b>”</p></blockquote>
<p> Yes, she <b>CHOSE</b> to give me life.  She was not compelled or required to do so.  No Woman is.  </p>
<p>Peace,<br />
Jenna</p>
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		<title>By: Anna P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*hugs second Anna as well*

I cannot imagine.

It&#039;s one of the thigns I hate about the idea that All Mothers Everywhere Always Love Their Children - it creates situations where people who have god-awful relationships with their mothers are often not believed when they try and talk abotu them.  (Not that I&#039;m saying this has happened to you, Anna, but it&#039;s happened to my husband when he&#039;s tried to talk about similiar issues.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*hugs second Anna as well*</p>
<p>I cannot imagine.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one of the thigns I hate about the idea that All Mothers Everywhere Always Love Their Children &#8211; it creates situations where people who have god-awful relationships with their mothers are often not believed when they try and talk abotu them.  (Not that I&#8217;m saying this has happened to you, Anna, but it&#8217;s happened to my husband when he&#8217;s tried to talk about similiar issues.)</p>
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		<title>By: SunlessNick</title>
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		<dc:creator>SunlessNick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>((((Hugs the second Anna))))</description>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just so everyone knows, this Anna:

&lt;blockquote&gt;My mother is pro-choice. I suspect part of why she’s pro-choice is because she got to choose when to have my brother and I. I know for a fact I was a wanted baby. I don’t need some forced-birther to tell me anything else.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

is not the same as the other Anna.  Two different commenters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just so everyone knows, this Anna:</p>
<blockquote><p>My mother is pro-choice. I suspect part of why she’s pro-choice is because she got to choose when to have my brother and I. I know for a fact I was a wanted baby. I don’t need some forced-birther to tell me anything else.</p></blockquote>
<p>is not the same as the other Anna.  Two different commenters.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, and no, my mother didn&#039;t abort me, but bloody well wanted to, and has not left a week of my existence go past without reminding me of the fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, and no, my mother didn&#8217;t abort me, but bloody well wanted to, and has not left a week of my existence go past without reminding me of the fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After being sent away with her shame to live in a home for unwed mothers, my mother gave birth to me and put me up for adoption without naming me or looking at me.

It&#039;s been 43 years now, and I&#039;m pretty sure she still feels like a filthy sinner about this.  It would have been so much better for her had her choices not been so limited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After being sent away with her shame to live in a home for unwed mothers, my mother gave birth to me and put me up for adoption without naming me or looking at me.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been 43 years now, and I&#8217;m pretty sure she still feels like a filthy sinner about this.  It would have been so much better for her had her choices not been so limited.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/11/24/sd-anti-choicers-are-sad-that-women-still-have-rights/#comment-8698</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mother is pro-choice.  I suspect part of why she&#039;s pro-choice is because she got to choose when to have my brother and I.  I know for a fact I was a wanted baby.  I don&#039;t need some forced-birther to tell me anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mother is pro-choice.  I suspect part of why she&#8217;s pro-choice is because she got to choose when to have my brother and I.  I know for a fact I was a wanted baby.  I don&#8217;t need some forced-birther to tell me anything else.</p>
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