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		<title>By: Ruminations on a Song : The Curvature</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruminations on a Song : The Curvature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sticks to a critique of the song and the privilege that Lennon displays in it). And while I, quite clearly, have no difficulty pointing out instances where John was an asshole and calling him an asshole, I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Liz Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 04:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. You rule.</description>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Super Duper Paul Fan: I am not going to post off-topic comments on this thread or any other.  Nor will I ever post comments that say &quot;so-and-so woman who claimed abuse is a liar.&quot;  That&#039;s not because no woman has ever lied about abuse, but because the huge, vast majority of women do not and because this is intended to be a safe space for women to talk about feminist issues such as domestic violence and to feel that they will be believed.  Oh, I also won&#039;t post comments that say &quot;X person has never personally hit a woman, so they can&#039;t possibly be a misogynist!&quot;  The end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Super Duper Paul Fan: I am not going to post off-topic comments on this thread or any other.  Nor will I ever post comments that say &#8220;so-and-so woman who claimed abuse is a liar.&#8221;  That&#8217;s not because no woman has ever lied about abuse, but because the huge, vast majority of women do not and because this is intended to be a safe space for women to talk about feminist issues such as domestic violence and to feel that they will be believed.  Oh, I also won&#8217;t post comments that say &#8220;X person has never personally hit a woman, so they can&#8217;t possibly be a misogynist!&#8221;  The end.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why do you mistakenly believe that Paul McCartney was/is an asshole in any way?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because I&#039;ve never in my entire life met a single person who was not an asshole in some way?  And because there&#039;s ample evidence that, like all of us, Paul McCartney has said and done many assholish things?  

Why do &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; mistakenly believe that loving someone&#039;s music makes them a perfect human being who can never be criticized?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why do you mistakenly believe that Paul McCartney was/is an asshole in any way?</p></blockquote>
<p>Because I&#8217;ve never in my entire life met a single person who was not an asshole in some way?  And because there&#8217;s ample evidence that, like all of us, Paul McCartney has said and done many assholish things?  </p>
<p>Why do <i>you</i> mistakenly believe that loving someone&#8217;s music makes them a perfect human being who can never be criticized?</p>
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		<title>By: PaulMcCartneyIsAMusicGenuis</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulMcCartneyIsAMusicGenuis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cara,

Why do  you  mistakenly believe that  Paul McCartney was/is an asshole in any  way? He has always been  a mostly  nice  sweet person, and he was not  mentally messed up in the head like John, because of his many childhood and teen traumas was.And most  people  who  really know Paul say he&#039;s always been pretty nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cara,</p>
<p>Why do  you  mistakenly believe that  Paul McCartney was/is an asshole in any  way? He has always been  a mostly  nice  sweet person, and he was not  mentally messed up in the head like John, because of his many childhood and teen traumas was.And most  people  who  really know Paul say he&#8217;s always been pretty nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Yoko Ono: A Feminist Analysis (Addendum: Just Like Starting Over) : The Curvature</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yoko Ono: A Feminist Analysis (Addendum: Just Like Starting Over) : The Curvature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2008/12/27/yoko-ono-a-feminist-analysis-part-2-dont-let-me-down/#comment-9413</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We all make mistakes, and I won’t hate Paul because of that. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

And I don&#039;t either.

&lt;blockquote&gt;It is obvious you don’t like Paul, but the man is no better or worse than John.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I wouldn&#039;t say that I don&#039;t like Paul.  I won&#039;t deny that as far as things go, I&#039;d likely be considered to have an &quot;anti-Paul&quot; bias.  But that doesn&#039;t mean I don&#039;t like him.  I think he&#039;s a brilliant musician who can be quite funny and charming when he wants to be, but also happens to be quite an egotist, douche and asshole a lot of the time.  And as a general, overall rule?  I wouldn&#039;t disagree that he was no better or worse a person than John.  At all.  John was a brilliant musician who was quite regularly funny and charming, and also happened to be quite an egotist and erratic asshole a lot of the time.  

They just enacted their egotism and asshole-ishness in often very different ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We all make mistakes, and I won’t hate Paul because of that. </p></blockquote>
<p>And I don&#8217;t either.</p>
<blockquote><p>It is obvious you don’t like Paul, but the man is no better or worse than John.</p></blockquote>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say that I don&#8217;t like Paul.  I won&#8217;t deny that as far as things go, I&#8217;d likely be considered to have an &#8220;anti-Paul&#8221; bias.  But that doesn&#8217;t mean I don&#8217;t like him.  I think he&#8217;s a brilliant musician who can be quite funny and charming when he wants to be, but also happens to be quite an egotist, douche and asshole a lot of the time.  And as a general, overall rule?  I wouldn&#8217;t disagree that he was no better or worse a person than John.  At all.  John was a brilliant musician who was quite regularly funny and charming, and also happened to be quite an egotist and erratic asshole a lot of the time.  </p>
<p>They just enacted their egotism and asshole-ishness in often very different ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniella Perez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniella Perez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; Probably because he had it coming. Paul may think he was innocent, but the fact is that they had a deal. They were supposed to have equal shares in the company, and Paul went and bought more without John’s knowledge or blessing. I don’t think it makes him an evil person, nor did I claim it did. I said that it was a betrayal and a shitty thing to do behind John’s back — the exact same kind of thing that people claim Yoko did, but didn’t. &lt;/i&gt; 

We all make mistakes, and I won&#039;t hate Paul because of that. We don&#039;t know the specifics and the context of it. All we have is biased views. John did his share of shitty things and betrayals, and I don&#039;t hate the guy for it. Both Paul and John has many virtues. Paul was a loyal friend to Robert Fraser. He was dying of Aids, almost everybody abandon him, Paul was one of the few who remained on his side. Paul was the one paid for the whole cancer treatment for Neil Aspinall. It is obvious you don&#039;t like Paul, but the man is no better or worse than John. John let Allen Klein fire Mal and Neil, his friends and employeed for years who lived for the Beatles, without giving them an excuse. How this not a betrayal? And who came in their defense: George, Ringo and Paul. NOT John. I hold that against John? No. 

Most of John&#039;s hurt against Paul come from his &quot;interview&quot; in the McCartney album, the lawsuit, the Klein/Eastman debate, the Apple fiasco, and the song &quot;Too Many People&quot;. And Paul was right about Allen Klein and the lawsuit. Though Paul is not my favourite (John is), I&#039;m on his side about the lawsuit. Paul was obviously not happy about that (he drowned in Alchool because of this), but he had to. I would have done the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Probably because he had it coming. Paul may think he was innocent, but the fact is that they had a deal. They were supposed to have equal shares in the company, and Paul went and bought more without John’s knowledge or blessing. I don’t think it makes him an evil person, nor did I claim it did. I said that it was a betrayal and a shitty thing to do behind John’s back — the exact same kind of thing that people claim Yoko did, but didn’t. </i> </p>
<p>We all make mistakes, and I won&#8217;t hate Paul because of that. We don&#8217;t know the specifics and the context of it. All we have is biased views. John did his share of shitty things and betrayals, and I don&#8217;t hate the guy for it. Both Paul and John has many virtues. Paul was a loyal friend to Robert Fraser. He was dying of Aids, almost everybody abandon him, Paul was one of the few who remained on his side. Paul was the one paid for the whole cancer treatment for Neil Aspinall. It is obvious you don&#8217;t like Paul, but the man is no better or worse than John. John let Allen Klein fire Mal and Neil, his friends and employeed for years who lived for the Beatles, without giving them an excuse. How this not a betrayal? And who came in their defense: George, Ringo and Paul. NOT John. I hold that against John? No. </p>
<p>Most of John&#8217;s hurt against Paul come from his &#8220;interview&#8221; in the McCartney album, the lawsuit, the Klein/Eastman debate, the Apple fiasco, and the song &#8220;Too Many People&#8221;. And Paul was right about Allen Klein and the lawsuit. Though Paul is not my favourite (John is), I&#8217;m on his side about the lawsuit. Paul was obviously not happy about that (he drowned in Alchool because of this), but he had to. I would have done the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Yoko did “stalked” Lennon for some months, as told by Cynthia and Tony Bramwell. She was in Cynthia’s robe when she returned from Greece and found John and Yoko in their house. Not a nice thing, if you ask me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ve seen no evidence whatsoever that she &quot;stalked&quot; him.  She had a business interest in him, and she wrote him letters, to which he responded.  Secondly, Cynthia came home &lt;i&gt;early&lt;/i&gt; from her vacation.  Which doesn&#039;t make finding your husband&#039;s mistress in your home (I&#039;ve never heard it was Cynthia&#039;s robe, just a robe that matched John&#039;s) any nicer, but how the hell is that Yoko&#039;s fault?  It was John&#039;s home and he invited her in.  John knew where she was and the possibility of her coming home early -- how was Yoko to know?  Not being cruel to Cynthia was &lt;i&gt;John&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; responsibility, and I&#039;m tired of seeing Yoko take the blame for how &lt;i&gt;John&lt;/i&gt; treated Cynthia, as I discuss in Part Three.

&lt;blockquote&gt;But when was that? It wasn’t mentioned in cgaja post Yoko’s health problems and her abortions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sorry, I didn&#039;t realize it was on a different post.  The other comment is &lt;a href=&quot;http://thecurvature.com/2008/12/20/yoko-ono-a-feminist-analysis-part-1-the-ballad-of-john-and-yoko/comment-page-1/#comment-9373&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yoko did “stalked” Lennon for some months, as told by Cynthia and Tony Bramwell. She was in Cynthia’s robe when she returned from Greece and found John and Yoko in their house. Not a nice thing, if you ask me.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen no evidence whatsoever that she &#8220;stalked&#8221; him.  She had a business interest in him, and she wrote him letters, to which he responded.  Secondly, Cynthia came home <i>early</i> from her vacation.  Which doesn&#8217;t make finding your husband&#8217;s mistress in your home (I&#8217;ve never heard it was Cynthia&#8217;s robe, just a robe that matched John&#8217;s) any nicer, but how the hell is that Yoko&#8217;s fault?  It was John&#8217;s home and he invited her in.  John knew where she was and the possibility of her coming home early &#8212; how was Yoko to know?  Not being cruel to Cynthia was <i>John&#8217;s</i> responsibility, and I&#8217;m tired of seeing Yoko take the blame for how <i>John</i> treated Cynthia, as I discuss in Part Three.</p>
<blockquote><p>But when was that? It wasn’t mentioned in cgaja post Yoko’s health problems and her abortions.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sorry, I didn&#8217;t realize it was on a different post.  The other comment is <a href="http://thecurvature.com/2008/12/20/yoko-ono-a-feminist-analysis-part-1-the-ballad-of-john-and-yoko/comment-page-1/#comment-9373" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniella Perez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniella Perez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;No, because sie is a misogynist who launched ad homeniem attacks (I’m not really a Beatles fan) and said a whole lot of outrageously misogynistic shit that has my blood boiling.&quot;

She/he doesn&#039;t sound misogynist to me. It is obvious cgaja doesn&#039;t like Yoko, but not everybody who doesn&#039;t like Yoko is a misogynist. cgaja came across a bit rude, and shouldn&#039;t have said you weren&#039;t a Beatles fan, but she/he pointed some facts that are true. Yoko did &quot;stalked&quot; Lennon for some months, as told by Cynthia and Tony Bramwell. She was in Cynthia&#039;s robe when she returned from Greece and found John and Yoko in their house. Not a nice thing, if you ask me. And she did have an affair with Spinozza, though I don&#039;t hold that against her. 

&quot;I don’t respond to misogyny. It only legitimizes it. So if they want to bring up Yoko’s mental health problems as though they ruin her credibility, or say that Yoko and John had no right to be upset over their miscarriage because she was on drugs, or say that they had no right to be upset over the miscarriages because the fact that the illegal abortions ravaged her uterus&quot;

But when was that? It wasn&#039;t mentioned in cgaja post Yoko&#039;s health problems and her abortions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No, because sie is a misogynist who launched ad homeniem attacks (I’m not really a Beatles fan) and said a whole lot of outrageously misogynistic shit that has my blood boiling.&#8221;</p>
<p>She/he doesn&#8217;t sound misogynist to me. It is obvious cgaja doesn&#8217;t like Yoko, but not everybody who doesn&#8217;t like Yoko is a misogynist. cgaja came across a bit rude, and shouldn&#8217;t have said you weren&#8217;t a Beatles fan, but she/he pointed some facts that are true. Yoko did &#8220;stalked&#8221; Lennon for some months, as told by Cynthia and Tony Bramwell. She was in Cynthia&#8217;s robe when she returned from Greece and found John and Yoko in their house. Not a nice thing, if you ask me. And she did have an affair with Spinozza, though I don&#8217;t hold that against her. </p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t respond to misogyny. It only legitimizes it. So if they want to bring up Yoko’s mental health problems as though they ruin her credibility, or say that Yoko and John had no right to be upset over their miscarriage because she was on drugs, or say that they had no right to be upset over the miscarriages because the fact that the illegal abortions ravaged her uterus&#8221;</p>
<p>But when was that? It wasn&#8217;t mentioned in cgaja post Yoko&#8217;s health problems and her abortions.</p>
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