Comments on: Yoko Ono: A Feminist Analysis (Part Three: Woman) http://thecurvature.com/2009/01/03/yoko-ono-a-feminist-analysis-part-3-woman/ Sat, 28 Apr 2012 20:40:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: the list of now | the list of now http://thecurvature.com/2009/01/03/yoko-ono-a-feminist-analysis-part-3-woman/#comment-18896 the list of now | the list of now Sat, 03 Jul 2010 00:11:06 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=836#comment-18896 [...] really enjoying a series of posts at the Curvature – Yoko Ono: A Feminist Analysis. (this is part 3, but you can follow the links on her site to read the previous ones). I am hoping [...] [...] really enjoying a series of posts at the Curvature – Yoko Ono: A Feminist Analysis. (this is part 3, but you can follow the links on her site to read the previous ones). I am hoping [...]

]]> By: Brian http://thecurvature.com/2009/01/03/yoko-ono-a-feminist-analysis-part-3-woman/#comment-16984 Brian Tue, 13 Apr 2010 03:15:18 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=836#comment-16984 Well bear in mind I only said to keep it in perspective. I never said they were not guilty of those actions, and certainly never said it was "harmless". Far be it from me to express such an absolute judgement of people I only know through the media. While my views may indeed be unoriginal, I did not set out to press any buttons on here. I would have to consider myself a feminist, although I have never considered it before. I also think that the villification of Yoko has always been ridiculous. My argument was more in the lines of, the SLIGHT misogynist/bigot who is raised among INTENSE misogynists/bigots may in actuality be breaking ground towards better behavior. Can we call pre-historic man misogynist and bigoted? How about most ancient cultures? There has to be some frame of reference...or at least it has to be considered. Well bear in mind I only said to keep it in perspective. I never said they were not guilty of those actions, and certainly never said it was “harmless”. Far be it from me to express such an absolute judgement of people I only know through the media.

While my views may indeed be unoriginal, I did not set out to press any buttons on here. I would have to consider myself a feminist, although I have never considered it before.

I also think that the villification of Yoko has always been ridiculous.

My argument was more in the lines of, the SLIGHT misogynist/bigot who is raised among INTENSE misogynists/bigots may in actuality be breaking ground towards better behavior. Can we call pre-historic man misogynist and bigoted? How about most ancient cultures? There has to be some frame of reference…or at least it has to be considered.

]]> By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2009/01/03/yoko-ono-a-feminist-analysis-part-3-woman/#comment-16983 Cara Tue, 13 Apr 2010 02:42:12 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=836#comment-16983 Brian, you seem to be arguing that because it was common to be a misogynist/bigot, that means that certain individual people weren't <I>really</i> misogynists/bigots. This is an unoriginal argument, but nevertheless, the fact that their views were <i>common</i> does not make them <i>harmless</i>, nor does it make them <i>not misogynistic or otherwise bigoted</I>. No one has forgotten when the Beatles were born and raised. We just remember the lesson from grade school that "everybody's doing it" isn't a good excuse. In social justice communities, we tend to care a lot less about a person's "intent" and a lot more about the outcome off their actions. Brian, you seem to be arguing that because it was common to be a misogynist/bigot, that means that certain individual people weren’t really misogynists/bigots. This is an unoriginal argument, but nevertheless, the fact that their views were common does not make them harmless, nor does it make them not misogynistic or otherwise bigoted. No one has forgotten when the Beatles were born and raised. We just remember the lesson from grade school that “everybody’s doing it” isn’t a good excuse. In social justice communities, we tend to care a lot less about a person’s “intent” and a lot more about the outcome off their actions.

]]> By: Brian http://thecurvature.com/2009/01/03/yoko-ono-a-feminist-analysis-part-3-woman/#comment-16982 Brian Tue, 13 Apr 2010 02:31:18 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=836#comment-16982 Before we judge the guys in the band too harshly as misogynists and bigots and just plain arrogant assholes....can we remember they were raised in Liverpool in the 50's not exactly a bastion of free thinking. Considering their background I would say they were pretty open minded guys by any standard. Also bear in mind the stress of the whirlwind that was their career. There was quite a lot on their minds, being at the time the biggest pop sensation on the planet by a big margin. Then factor in the seduction a adulation...well all celebrities have top 9or get to) deal with that....but theirs was on the extreme end of things as well. Thats got to take some of the "nice" and "concern for others" out of anyone's emotional make up. I am not trying to completely excuse any and all bad behaviour....I am just saying lets keep it in perpective. Before we judge the guys in the band too harshly as misogynists and bigots and just plain arrogant assholes….can we remember they were raised in Liverpool in the 50′s not exactly a bastion of free thinking.

Considering their background I would say they were pretty open minded guys by any standard.

Also bear in mind the stress of the whirlwind that was their career. There was quite a lot on their minds, being at the time the biggest pop sensation on the planet by a big margin.

Then factor in the seduction a adulation…well all celebrities have top 9or get to) deal with that….but theirs was on the extreme end of things as well. Thats got to take some of the “nice” and “concern for others” out of anyone’s emotional make up.

I am not trying to completely excuse any and all bad behaviour….I am just saying lets keep it in perpective.

]]> By: Joanie http://thecurvature.com/2009/01/03/yoko-ono-a-feminist-analysis-part-3-woman/#comment-15681 Joanie Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:02:47 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=836#comment-15681 I love this, thank you Cara for posting this. I have always been a Yoko fan and seeing those so called "John Lennon fans" hating her and MOST of them says "oh why did he marry that Japanese girl and not a British girl?" and they say that she's ugly and other people EVEN says, which I think is so rude and disrespectful to John, says why can't Yoko be the one who got killed and not John. When I heard people saying this I JUST can't believe they are a John Lennon fan. They just don't see that Yoko change John for the better, I mean he didn't see woman as objects anymore and we wouldn't have John's solo career and his wonderful songs and most of his songs are inspired from Yoko. They don't EVEN listen to John Lennon, he even said that "why can't anybody believe we are in love? and he said "Listen, if somebody's gonna impress me, whether it be a Maharishi or a Yoko Ono, there comes a point when the emperor has no clothes. There comes a point when I will see. So for all you folks out there who think that I'm having the wool pulled over my eyes, well, that's an insult to me. Not that you think less of Yoko, because that's your problem. What I think of her is what counts! Because -- fuck you, brother and sister -- you don't know what's happening." I swear if Yoko was blonde I think people wouldn't be too cruel to her..... I love this, thank you Cara for posting this. I have always been a Yoko fan and seeing those so called “John Lennon fans” hating her and MOST of them says “oh why did he marry that Japanese girl and not a British girl?” and they say that she’s ugly and other people EVEN says, which I think is so rude and disrespectful to John, says why can’t Yoko be the one who got killed and not John. When I heard people saying this I JUST can’t believe they are a John Lennon fan. They just don’t see that Yoko change John for the better, I mean he didn’t see woman as objects anymore and we wouldn’t have John’s solo career and his wonderful songs and most of his songs are inspired from Yoko. They don’t EVEN listen to John Lennon, he even said that “why can’t anybody believe we are in love? and he said “Listen, if somebody’s gonna impress me, whether it be a Maharishi or a Yoko Ono, there comes a point when the emperor has no clothes. There comes a point when I will see. So for all you folks out there who think that I’m having the wool pulled over my eyes, well, that’s an insult to me. Not that you think less of Yoko, because that’s your problem. What I think of her is what counts! Because — fuck you, brother and sister — you don’t know what’s happening.”

I swear if Yoko was blonde I think people wouldn’t be too cruel to her…..

]]> By: joe mignogna http://thecurvature.com/2009/01/03/yoko-ono-a-feminist-analysis-part-3-woman/#comment-13824 joe mignogna Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:47:49 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=836#comment-13824 I don't understand why people say that Yoko Ono is ugly. She was the first woman i ever saw naked, i don't want to say how old i was but it made a serious impression on me. She's like my Betty Grable or Marilyn Monroe only fortunately for me my pin-up girl was naked. She IS the image of a woman to me. She is a rarity because most japanese women are petite but she has all the curves in Tokyo. Thank you Cara, it's nice to have a site where we can discuss the one thing about Yoko that no one gives her credit for showing her naked body. joe mignogna magnolia nj I don’t understand why people say that Yoko Ono is ugly. She was the first woman i ever saw naked, i don’t want to say how old i was but it made a serious impression on me. She’s like my Betty Grable or Marilyn Monroe only fortunately for me my pin-up girl was naked. She IS the image of a woman to me. She is a rarity because most japanese women are petite but she has all the curves in Tokyo. Thank you Cara, it’s nice to have a site where we can discuss the one thing about Yoko that no one gives her credit for showing her naked body. joe mignogna magnolia nj

]]> By: Nicole http://thecurvature.com/2009/01/03/yoko-ono-a-feminist-analysis-part-3-woman/#comment-12750 Nicole Sat, 13 Jun 2009 05:45:24 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=836#comment-12750 Although Yoko has done some wretched things i.e. her treatment towards Julian; I believe your blog was spot on. I always find it hilarious how people crticize Yoko's looks acting like John was god's gift to beauty or something. I do believe that Yoko is so hated because she was an other, and on top of that a woman who refused to keep quiet. All the blame is put on her, and none of it is put on John. Although Yoko has done some wretched things i.e. her treatment towards Julian; I believe your blog was spot on. I always find it hilarious how people crticize Yoko’s looks acting like John was god’s gift to beauty or something. I do believe that Yoko is so hated because she was an other, and on top of that a woman who refused to keep quiet. All the blame is put on her, and none of it is put on John.

]]> By: Friday Hoyden: Yoko Ono — Hoyden About Town http://thecurvature.com/2009/01/03/yoko-ono-a-feminist-analysis-part-3-woman/#comment-9978 Friday Hoyden: Yoko Ono — Hoyden About Town Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:41:28 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=836#comment-9978 [...] history, and explains why exactly Yoko didn’t break up the band. But I probably like Part Two and Part Three the best, which respectively go into the falsehood, racism and misogyny behind the idea that Yoko [...] [...] history, and explains why exactly Yoko didn’t break up the band. But I probably like Part Two and Part Three the best, which respectively go into the falsehood, racism and misogyny behind the idea that Yoko [...]

]]> By: Yoko Ono on Yoko-Hate : The Curvature http://thecurvature.com/2009/01/03/yoko-ono-a-feminist-analysis-part-3-woman/#comment-9691 Yoko Ono on Yoko-Hate : The Curvature Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:18:55 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=836#comment-9691 [...] good interview, and great comments to chew on.  Particularly, while I did cover the issue of Yoko’s treatment when she dared speak, I neglected to discuss how her lack of speaking was also treated as a sign of evil intentions.  [...] [...] good interview, and great comments to chew on.  Particularly, while I did cover the issue of Yoko’s treatment when she dared speak, I neglected to discuss how her lack of speaking was also treated as a sign of evil intentions.  [...]

]]> By: Yoko Ono: A Feminist Analysis (Addendum: Just Like Starting Over) : The Curvature http://thecurvature.com/2009/01/03/yoko-ono-a-feminist-analysis-part-3-woman/#comment-9480 Yoko Ono: A Feminist Analysis (Addendum: Just Like Starting Over) : The Curvature Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:08:05 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=836#comment-9480 [...] Introduction: Oh Yoko! Part One: The Ballad of John and Yoko Part Two: Don’t Let Me Down Part Three: Woman [...] [...] Introduction: Oh Yoko! Part One: The Ballad of John and Yoko Part Two: Don’t Let Me Down Part Three: Woman [...]

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