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		<title>By: Lil Wayne Jokes About His Own Rape - The Sexist - Washington City Paper</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2009/03/20/when-a-man-is-the-victim-a-second-study-in-rape-apology/#comment-16260</link>
		<dc:creator>Lil Wayne Jokes About His Own Rape - The Sexist - Washington City Paper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Kimmel segment aired, Cara at the Curvature wrote an excellent piece about the cultural tendency to respond to sexual assaults against males by recasting the assault as [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2009/03/20/when-a-man-is-the-victim-a-second-study-in-rape-apology/#comment-15829</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DRJM,

Thank you for your comment. I addressed this when this post was cross-posted at Racialicious. The term I used was &quot;hyper-sexualized,&quot; not &quot;hyper-sexual.&quot; The term hyper-sexual describes what you describe up above. The term hyper-sexualized describes these attitudes being unfairly thrust upon another person. Thus, what was intended by the statement is not that black men are more sexual than men of any other race, but that they are portrayed that way. With these racist attitudes being so rampant, I should have been more careful, and written something along the lines of &quot;it&#039;s certainly true that black men are hyper-sexualized by our culture and media&quot; instead. I apologize again for my unclear phrasing, and the distress that it has caused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DRJM,</p>
<p>Thank you for your comment. I addressed this when this post was cross-posted at Racialicious. The term I used was &#8220;hyper-sexualized,&#8221; not &#8220;hyper-sexual.&#8221; The term hyper-sexual describes what you describe up above. The term hyper-sexualized describes these attitudes being unfairly thrust upon another person. Thus, what was intended by the statement is not that black men are more sexual than men of any other race, but that they are portrayed that way. With these racist attitudes being so rampant, I should have been more careful, and written something along the lines of &#8220;it&#8217;s certainly true that black men are hyper-sexualized by our culture and media&#8221; instead. I apologize again for my unclear phrasing, and the distress that it has caused.</p>
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		<title>By: drjm</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2009/03/20/when-a-man-is-the-victim-a-second-study-in-rape-apology/#comment-15825</link>
		<dc:creator>drjm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I applaud you for attempting to address this largely undiscussed issue (issues of gender and race with regards to rape). However, I find your comment &quot;It’s certainly true that black men are hyper-sexualized.&quot; Seriously? With that statement you&#039;ve taken a scene out of the racist movie &quot;Birth of a Nation&quot;. And what evidence do you have to support this hypersexualized myth? As a progressive, Black, female graduate student you should know that that statement is demeaning, discriminatory, and inflammatory. The myth of the &quot;hypersexualized&quot; black male and female harkens the age of slavery and the widespread racist views held by the dominant society. And from comments such as yours and the still wideheld view of the lascivious nature of Black Americans (I know, I know, innumerable daytime TV shows about finding ones baby daddy, high rates of unintended pregnancy and STIs may allow you to skim over the widespread poverty, lack of resources, poor education, lack of access to quality health care in communities of color), but seriously. Get with it!!!! You should be ashamed!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applaud you for attempting to address this largely undiscussed issue (issues of gender and race with regards to rape). However, I find your comment &#8220;It’s certainly true that black men are hyper-sexualized.&#8221; Seriously? With that statement you&#8217;ve taken a scene out of the racist movie &#8220;Birth of a Nation&#8221;. And what evidence do you have to support this hypersexualized myth? As a progressive, Black, female graduate student you should know that that statement is demeaning, discriminatory, and inflammatory. The myth of the &#8220;hypersexualized&#8221; black male and female harkens the age of slavery and the widespread racist views held by the dominant society. And from comments such as yours and the still wideheld view of the lascivious nature of Black Americans (I know, I know, innumerable daytime TV shows about finding ones baby daddy, high rates of unintended pregnancy and STIs may allow you to skim over the widespread poverty, lack of resources, poor education, lack of access to quality health care in communities of color), but seriously. Get with it!!!! You should be ashamed!!!</p>
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		<title>By: thelady</title>
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		<dc:creator>thelady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This type of rape seems to be very common. I know of several young men who describe their first sexual experience as under the age of 11 and involving a baby sitter or some other adult or late teen female who was entrusted with their care. When I was upset by these stories they were very reluctant to describe it as rape probably because of all the rape apologism in our culture. Just like whenever one of these teachers is caught having sex with 13, 14 year old male students, the courts let them off with a light sentence as if it is no big deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This type of rape seems to be very common. I know of several young men who describe their first sexual experience as under the age of 11 and involving a baby sitter or some other adult or late teen female who was entrusted with their care. When I was upset by these stories they were very reluctant to describe it as rape probably because of all the rape apologism in our culture. Just like whenever one of these teachers is caught having sex with 13, 14 year old male students, the courts let them off with a light sentence as if it is no big deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2009/03/20/when-a-man-is-the-victim-a-second-study-in-rape-apology/#comment-12701</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 07:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read this article and, boy, it&#039;s really powerful! Thank you for the good, interesting read, Cara. I ended up using this topic for my term paper in my International Issues with Child Protection course. I think it&#039;s good to address male rape victims. :)

And then afterwards, I started reading the comments...

Though it&#039;s not my place, I too am a little disgusted with toysoldier&#039;s comments. While it&#039;s sad to hear that he had a rape experience as well, it is quite clear to me that he either a)misunderstood Cara&#039;s article or b)didn&#039;t read it in its entirety (which is a big no-no). 

Despite what others are saying, toysoldier did quite clearly bash feminists, as well as female victims, whether he intended to or not. And for that, I feel deeply annoyed.

Anyway, just wanted to express my opinion. Thank you for this good topic, Cara. The more it is made known, the better!

-Alex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read this article and, boy, it&#8217;s really powerful! Thank you for the good, interesting read, Cara. I ended up using this topic for my term paper in my International Issues with Child Protection course. I think it&#8217;s good to address male rape victims. :)</p>
<p>And then afterwards, I started reading the comments&#8230;</p>
<p>Though it&#8217;s not my place, I too am a little disgusted with toysoldier&#8217;s comments. While it&#8217;s sad to hear that he had a rape experience as well, it is quite clear to me that he either a)misunderstood Cara&#8217;s article or b)didn&#8217;t read it in its entirety (which is a big no-no). </p>
<p>Despite what others are saying, toysoldier did quite clearly bash feminists, as well as female victims, whether he intended to or not. And for that, I feel deeply annoyed.</p>
<p>Anyway, just wanted to express my opinion. Thank you for this good topic, Cara. The more it is made known, the better!</p>
<p>-Alex</p>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this through random clicking over at Feministing. I want to say thank you for being willing to say that not all rape is &quot;huge man + tiny woman + dark alley&quot;. Some of us have been raped, or close friends with rape victims (regardless of gender), or both.

He didn&#039;t consent (he couldn&#039;t-- he was a child!) therefore he was raped. I would think that wouldn&#039;t be too difficult for people to see, but unfortunately we can&#039;t always add that proverbial 2+2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this through random clicking over at Feministing. I want to say thank you for being willing to say that not all rape is &#8220;huge man + tiny woman + dark alley&#8221;. Some of us have been raped, or close friends with rape victims (regardless of gender), or both.</p>
<p>He didn&#8217;t consent (he couldn&#8217;t&#8211; he was a child!) therefore he was raped. I would think that wouldn&#8217;t be too difficult for people to see, but unfortunately we can&#8217;t always add that proverbial 2+2.</p>
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		<title>By: SunlessNick</title>
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		<dc:creator>SunlessNick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He came in here with a comment stating that feminists don’t take male rape victims seriously &lt;/blockquote&gt;And chose a post where a feminist was doing exactly that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He came in here with a comment stating that feminists don’t take male rape victims seriously </p></blockquote>
<p>And chose a post where a feminist was doing exactly that.</p>
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		<title>By: amandaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>amandaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the thing. toysoldier didn&#039;t come in here with a &quot;different opinion.&quot; He came in here with a comment stating that feminists don&#039;t take male rape victims seriously and that female rape victims are ALWAYS taken seriously.

If you don&#039;t get why Cara took that as a bit of an insult, it&#039;s because she blogs primarily about sexual assault and rape apologism, cataloguing the many, many cases where female rape victims are anything but taken seriously.

She responded with anger. I get why that might be off-putting. But I deeply believe victims should be allowed to respond with anger -- to shut down anger is to deny their experiences. Yeah, it was harsh. But it was harshness in response to harshness. At least recognize there were two sides to this exchange.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the thing. toysoldier didn&#8217;t come in here with a &#8220;different opinion.&#8221; He came in here with a comment stating that feminists don&#8217;t take male rape victims seriously and that female rape victims are ALWAYS taken seriously.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t get why Cara took that as a bit of an insult, it&#8217;s because she blogs primarily about sexual assault and rape apologism, cataloguing the many, many cases where female rape victims are anything but taken seriously.</p>
<p>She responded with anger. I get why that might be off-putting. But I deeply believe victims should be allowed to respond with anger &#8212; to shut down anger is to deny their experiences. Yeah, it was harsh. But it was harshness in response to harshness. At least recognize there were two sides to this exchange.</p>
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		<title>By: Pops</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That’s because I blog on these issues every day of my life and can back it up with articles&lt;/blockquote&gt;I have no doubt that you can.  It does not change the fact that it is shocking to me.  In fact, the opposite.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Yes, I agree that it’s evident, and I said as much, quite explicitly. I said that racism played a very clear role here.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Please bear in mind that the text you quote was me (finally) coming to this realization.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m starting to get the impression that you didn’t read the post very carefully&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And I get the impression that you like a good fight. ;)

Still, I thank you for your post, and your responses, which are truly commendable, however acidic they may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That’s because I blog on these issues every day of my life and can back it up with articles</p></blockquote>
<p>I have no doubt that you can.  It does not change the fact that it is shocking to me.  In fact, the opposite.</p>
<blockquote><p>Yes, I agree that it’s evident, and I said as much, quite explicitly. I said that racism played a very clear role here.</p></blockquote>
<p>Please bear in mind that the text you quote was me (finally) coming to this realization.</p>
<blockquote><p>I’m starting to get the impression that you didn’t read the post very carefully</p></blockquote>
<p>And I get the impression that you like a good fight. ;)</p>
<p>Still, I thank you for your post, and your responses, which are truly commendable, however acidic they may be.</p>
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		<title>By: mk</title>
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		<dc:creator>mk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cara, thanks for this post, and for sticking to your guns. It&#039;s so frustrating (and not surprising) that anyone would use your very thoughtful post about men as rape victims/survivors to sound off on how feminists don&#039;t care about male rape victims/survivors. Wha? Seriously, is this bizarro-world and I just didn&#039;t notice? 

And finally, for anyone who&#039;s upset about Cara&#039;s response to toysoldier--seriously, when anyone--yes, even another survivor--tells a rape victim &lt;em&gt;who has actively seen and felt the damage of rape apologism first-hand&lt;/em&gt; that there are no rape apologists and that everyone takes rape seriously when the victim is female--&lt;strong&gt;that is totally bannable behavior.&lt;/strong&gt; Full stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cara, thanks for this post, and for sticking to your guns. It&#8217;s so frustrating (and not surprising) that anyone would use your very thoughtful post about men as rape victims/survivors to sound off on how feminists don&#8217;t care about male rape victims/survivors. Wha? Seriously, is this bizarro-world and I just didn&#8217;t notice? </p>
<p>And finally, for anyone who&#8217;s upset about Cara&#8217;s response to toysoldier&#8211;seriously, when anyone&#8211;yes, even another survivor&#8211;tells a rape victim <em>who has actively seen and felt the damage of rape apologism first-hand</em> that there are no rape apologists and that everyone takes rape seriously when the victim is female&#8211;<strong>that is totally bannable behavior.</strong> Full stop.</p>
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