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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/18/protecting-your-safety-while-speaking-out-is-not-irresponsible/#comment-14823</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mschicklet, I&#039;m a feminist too (see it up there in the header? that this is a feminist blog?), and I think is obvious from my post also wouldn&#039;t dream of it. So I was in no way generalizing about all feminists. But someone doing something that we think goes against feminist values doesn&#039;t make them not a true feminist. It makes them a feminist we disagree with and who we think has done something wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mschicklet, I&#8217;m a feminist too (see it up there in the header? that this is a feminist blog?), and I think is obvious from my post also wouldn&#8217;t dream of it. So I was in no way generalizing about all feminists. But someone doing something that we think goes against feminist values doesn&#8217;t make them not a true feminist. It makes them a feminist we disagree with and who we think has done something wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: mschicklet</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/18/protecting-your-safety-while-speaking-out-is-not-irresponsible/#comment-14822</link>
		<dc:creator>mschicklet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 10:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cara, I love this post. I relate to so much of it, and I appreciate you saying what you did.

But, for the record, not all feminists feel this way and the people who victim-shamed Katie Price aren&#039;t possibly &quot;true feminists.&quot; I consider myself a feminist, and I know several other feminists who would never dream of putting that type of pressure on a rape victim for any reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cara, I love this post. I relate to so much of it, and I appreciate you saying what you did.</p>
<p>But, for the record, not all feminists feel this way and the people who victim-shamed Katie Price aren&#8217;t possibly &#8220;true feminists.&#8221; I consider myself a feminist, and I know several other feminists who would never dream of putting that type of pressure on a rape victim for any reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Recorta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Recorta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admit that when Katie Price first said this, my thought was a somewhat sceptical: &quot;She says a whole bunch of things.&quot; I&#039;ve had attention-seeking friends in the past, and I&#039;m inherently suspicious of people who always seem to have a range of horror-stories that they trot out in rapid succession, as soon as the sympathy/media attention from the last one begins to wane.

Those were my first impressions, however. Thinking on it further, I think I DO believe her on this (although not on all the stuff she makes claims about). To be honest, but in a completely non-judgmental, non-victim-blaming way, I&#039;d imagine that her career trajectory has probably put her in situations where this sort of thing could have happened to her. (I mean this wholly without condoning that fact, or the rapist&#039;s behaviour in ANY way. I may not like Katie Price, but she deserves to be respected and to determine what happens in her own life and to her own body.)

I also don&#039;t think that Katie has any responsibility except to do precisely what she&#039;s done: put the matter of rape squarely at the front of society&#039;s consciousness and force us to ask questions about how to prevent it from happening. By refusing to shoulder the blame (&quot;responsibility&quot;) for the later behaviour of that man, I think she&#039;s setting a good example. The criminal justice system is NOT the way we are going to change society; perhaps Katie&#039;s confession will at least push us toward thinking about ways in which we can do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admit that when Katie Price first said this, my thought was a somewhat sceptical: &#8220;She says a whole bunch of things.&#8221; I&#8217;ve had attention-seeking friends in the past, and I&#8217;m inherently suspicious of people who always seem to have a range of horror-stories that they trot out in rapid succession, as soon as the sympathy/media attention from the last one begins to wane.</p>
<p>Those were my first impressions, however. Thinking on it further, I think I DO believe her on this (although not on all the stuff she makes claims about). To be honest, but in a completely non-judgmental, non-victim-blaming way, I&#8217;d imagine that her career trajectory has probably put her in situations where this sort of thing could have happened to her. (I mean this wholly without condoning that fact, or the rapist&#8217;s behaviour in ANY way. I may not like Katie Price, but she deserves to be respected and to determine what happens in her own life and to her own body.)</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t think that Katie has any responsibility except to do precisely what she&#8217;s done: put the matter of rape squarely at the front of society&#8217;s consciousness and force us to ask questions about how to prevent it from happening. By refusing to shoulder the blame (&#8220;responsibility&#8221;) for the later behaviour of that man, I think she&#8217;s setting a good example. The criminal justice system is NOT the way we are going to change society; perhaps Katie&#8217;s confession will at least push us toward thinking about ways in which we can do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Naming Names &#8211; It&#8217;s My Choice &#171; After Silence</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/18/protecting-your-safety-while-speaking-out-is-not-irresponsible/#comment-14736</link>
		<dc:creator>Naming Names &#8211; It&#8217;s My Choice &#171; After Silence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Naming Names &#8211; It&#8217;s My&#160;Choice  I read a great post over at The Curvature this morning, Protecting Your Safety While Speaking Out is Not Irresponsible. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Naming Names &#8211; It&#8217;s My&nbsp;Choice  I read a great post over at The Curvature this morning, Protecting Your Safety While Speaking Out is Not Irresponsible. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Fifth Carnival of Feminists &#171; Zero at the Bone</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/18/protecting-your-safety-while-speaking-out-is-not-irresponsible/#comment-14712</link>
		<dc:creator>The Fifth Carnival of Feminists &#171; Zero at the Bone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from The Curvature writes Protecting Your Safety While Speaking Out is Not Irresponsible. It’s in response to feminist assertions that Katie Price should name her [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] from The Curvature writes Protecting Your Safety While Speaking Out is Not Irresponsible. It’s in response to feminist assertions that Katie Price should name her [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Annie Mcfly</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/18/protecting-your-safety-while-speaking-out-is-not-irresponsible/#comment-14609</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie Mcfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, in my last comment I accidentally implied that a woman is &quot;getting herself raped&quot; when in fact it is the perp committing the act of rape. I apologise for my imprecise language, it&#039;s something I&#039;m working on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, in my last comment I accidentally implied that a woman is &#8220;getting herself raped&#8221; when in fact it is the perp committing the act of rape. I apologise for my imprecise language, it&#8217;s something I&#8217;m working on.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/18/protecting-your-safety-while-speaking-out-is-not-irresponsible/#comment-14608</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh god, Anna, that is so unbelievably awful. I&#039;m so sorry and appalled that someone would do that to another person.

And, of course, all excellent points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh god, Anna, that is so unbelievably awful. I&#8217;m so sorry and appalled that someone would do that to another person.</p>
<p>And, of course, all excellent points.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, I&#039;d be upset enough about being raped without having to tell his new girlfriend what I&#039;d been through and quite possibly having the piss taken out of me for the next x period of time about it.

People are vile. I recently fell out with a best friend over something minor and her response was to post all over my facebook what had happened to me, and how funny it was, and how I&#039;d probably loved it because I&#039;m a filthy whore. There&#039;s basically no possible benefit in telling a person you probably don&#039;t know something like that. We as women do not have responsibility from &#039;keeping a man from raping&#039; - the responsibility lies with him and him alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, I&#8217;d be upset enough about being raped without having to tell his new girlfriend what I&#8217;d been through and quite possibly having the piss taken out of me for the next x period of time about it.</p>
<p>People are vile. I recently fell out with a best friend over something minor and her response was to post all over my facebook what had happened to me, and how funny it was, and how I&#8217;d probably loved it because I&#8217;m a filthy whore. There&#8217;s basically no possible benefit in telling a person you probably don&#8217;t know something like that. We as women do not have responsibility from &#8216;keeping a man from raping&#8217; &#8211; the responsibility lies with him and him alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/18/protecting-your-safety-while-speaking-out-is-not-irresponsible/#comment-14606</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that is in fact a good thing to do, but:

1. I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if there are more instances than not in which the new girlfriend calls the old girlfriend a liar who is just jealous of the new relationship. People are very reluctant to believe that someone they know can be an abuser, especially when it&#039;s someone they&#039;re already involved with romantically.

2. The fact that any individual woman is not &lt;i&gt;publicly naming her rapist&lt;/i&gt; doesn&#039;t mean that she&#039;s not doing this. I&#039;m kind of confused about such an assumption, and if such an assumption is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; being made, why it is relevant here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that is in fact a good thing to do, but:</p>
<p>1. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if there are more instances than not in which the new girlfriend calls the old girlfriend a liar who is just jealous of the new relationship. People are very reluctant to believe that someone they know can be an abuser, especially when it&#8217;s someone they&#8217;re already involved with romantically.</p>
<p>2. The fact that any individual woman is not <i>publicly naming her rapist</i> doesn&#8217;t mean that she&#8217;s not doing this. I&#8217;m kind of confused about such an assumption, and if such an assumption is <i>not</i> being made, why it is relevant here.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie Mcfly</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/18/protecting-your-safety-while-speaking-out-is-not-irresponsible/#comment-14605</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie Mcfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...she might therefore warn the new girlfriend to watch out for these behaviors and offer ways to get help.&quot;
Yes, she might. It would be a kind thing to do. Or maybe she is scared for her safety if she speaks up about man X&#039;s behavior. Maybe she&#039;s scared for her reputation or self esteem if the new girlfriend is deeply entrenched in rape culture and accuses her of making it up/liking it/whatever else. But in any case, it&#039;s not the ex girlfriend who was abused/raped by man X who is to blame if the new girlfriend gets raped, and the way you&#039;re posing this make it seem like she should be responsible instead or as well as the perp, man X.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;she might therefore warn the new girlfriend to watch out for these behaviors and offer ways to get help.&#8221;<br />
Yes, she might. It would be a kind thing to do. Or maybe she is scared for her safety if she speaks up about man X&#8217;s behavior. Maybe she&#8217;s scared for her reputation or self esteem if the new girlfriend is deeply entrenched in rape culture and accuses her of making it up/liking it/whatever else. But in any case, it&#8217;s not the ex girlfriend who was abused/raped by man X who is to blame if the new girlfriend gets raped, and the way you&#8217;re posing this make it seem like she should be responsible instead or as well as the perp, man X.</p>
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