Comments on: Rape Apologism and the Response to Mackenzie Phillips http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/24/rape-apologism-and-the-response-to-mackenzie-phillips/ Sun, 05 Feb 2012 14:47:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: The Mackenzie Phillips Story – It’s Not Consent! http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/24/rape-apologism-and-the-response-to-mackenzie-phillips/#comment-16252 The Mackenzie Phillips Story – It’s Not Consent! Mon, 11 Jan 2010 02:08:53 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=6470#comment-16252 [...] The Curvature: “Rape Apologism and the Response to Mackenzie Phillips” [...] [...] The Curvature: “Rape Apologism and the Response to Mackenzie Phillips” [...]

]]> By: Janet Auty-Carlisle http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/24/rape-apologism-and-the-response-to-mackenzie-phillips/#comment-16021 Janet Auty-Carlisle Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:06:03 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=6470#comment-16021 This show was replayed this week and again it stirred up much emotion. Abusers absolutely rely on people being silent, that's their biggest ally. If nobody speaks up they can continue to be the controller. Sadly, in this society, at this time, using a voice to say this is not ok is still oftentimes dangerous and lonely. My hope in all of this is that the public outcry gets so loud it can't be silenced anymore. Thanks for posting this. Living la vida fearless, Jan This show was replayed this week and again it stirred up much emotion. Abusers absolutely rely on people being silent, that’s their biggest ally. If nobody speaks up they can continue to be the controller. Sadly, in this society, at this time, using a voice to say this is not ok is still oftentimes dangerous and lonely. My hope in all of this is that the public outcry gets so loud it can’t be silenced anymore. Thanks for posting this. Living la vida fearless, Jan

]]> By: Anna http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/24/rape-apologism-and-the-response-to-mackenzie-phillips/#comment-15289 Anna Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:15:12 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=6470#comment-15289 I cannot believe south park used this for a 'joke'. I cannot believe south park used this for a ‘joke’.

]]> By: Dwayne Walker http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/24/rape-apologism-and-the-response-to-mackenzie-phillips/#comment-15276 Dwayne Walker Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:32:41 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=6470#comment-15276 Excellent article! Helpful for anyone who has ever been abused by a 'role model'. Excellent article! Helpful for anyone who has ever been abused by a ‘role model’.

]]> By: SHARISE http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/24/rape-apologism-and-the-response-to-mackenzie-phillips/#comment-14811 SHARISE Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:39:44 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=6470#comment-14811 I don't understand how people are making this womans tragedy about their own households and their relationship with their children. People can't not blame her for coming out and being open about her situation. It baffles me how Americans are so selfish. This woman bared her soul on national television and in a book. I can only imagine how humiliating that was for her but at the same time I'm sure it provided some type of healing but the only thing Americans can think about is how this story can possibly affect their lives. This is not about the open relationship that American families should already have with their children and no one is saying that every one that has been molested or a victim of rape should come out on national television and tell all. I don’t understand how people are making this womans tragedy about their own households and their relationship with their children. People can’t not blame her for coming out and being open about her situation. It baffles me how Americans are so selfish. This woman bared her soul on national television and in a book. I can only imagine how humiliating that was for her but at the same time I’m sure it provided some type of healing but the only thing Americans can think about is how this story can possibly affect their lives. This is not about the open relationship that American families should already have with their children and no one is saying that every one that has been molested or a victim of rape should come out on national television and tell all.

]]> By: Lots (and lots) of link love « The Feminist Texican http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/24/rape-apologism-and-the-response-to-mackenzie-phillips/#comment-14803 Lots (and lots) of link love « The Feminist Texican Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:26:25 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=6470#comment-14803 [...] The Curvature: Rape Apologism and the Response to Mackenzie Phillips [...] [...] The Curvature: Rape Apologism and the Response to Mackenzie Phillips [...]

]]> By: Lorraine Marrero http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/24/rape-apologism-and-the-response-to-mackenzie-phillips/#comment-14760 Lorraine Marrero Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:42:08 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=6470#comment-14760 Regarding some of the comments above on Oprah’s demeanor during the interview, in my opinion and we all have a right to an opinion, I agree, she seemed insensitive to McKenzie Philips apparent pain. I might add that this is not based on my previous perception of Oprah’s usual interviewing style, when it comes to survivors of abuse. I have watched Oprah for many years and have seen various interviews that touch on the issue presented by McKenzie, and in my opinion, Oprah displayed far more compassion and sympathy toward those survivors than she did for Philips (again this is an opinion). Also as a survivor of childhood abuse myself, it was surprising that Oprah would question McKenzie on the time frame of the abuse, as if she has no knowledge of the complex psychological and emotional dynamics of sexual abuse. I myself am a survivor and did not emotionally and psychologically process what happened until five years ago; and it came in increments, bit by bit; what I lived was unprocessed and stored separately in my psyche for forty years, it is said the body remembers what the mind forgets. Suffice to say I lived with the symptoms for years and blamed myself for these symptoms, until I finally processed the memories and realized through an excellent therapist who was an expert in childhood Trauma and the effects, that the abuse had affected my emotional and cognitive development. That is how serious abuse is, and to hear the media blaming McKenzie and using the word “consensual” shows how ignorant they truly want to be. McKenzie did use this word but in my opinion, “consensual” is not the appropriate word to use. I personally do not see it as “consensual” being that she was abused from her childhood by her father and so she was psychologically and emotionally conditioned and literally stuck in that traumatic nightmare. But again if this is where McKenzie is at in her healing, then who am I to say what she should say or not, healing and processing trauma takes time and it is a process. The abuse may appear one way to a survivor in one stage of the healing and take on a different meaning as time goes on. Regarding some of the comments above on Oprah’s demeanor during the interview,
in my opinion and we all have a right to an opinion, I agree, she seemed insensitive
to McKenzie Philips apparent pain. I might add that this is not based on my previous perception of Oprah’s usual interviewing style, when it comes to survivors of abuse. I have watched Oprah for many years and have seen various interviews that touch on the issue presented by McKenzie, and in my opinion, Oprah displayed far more compassion and sympathy toward those survivors than she did for Philips (again this is an opinion). Also as a survivor of childhood abuse myself, it was surprising that Oprah would question
McKenzie on the time frame of the abuse, as if she has no knowledge of the complex
psychological and emotional dynamics of sexual abuse. I myself am a survivor and
did not emotionally and psychologically process what happened until five years ago;
and it came in increments, bit by bit; what I lived was unprocessed and stored separately in my psyche for forty years, it is said the body remembers what the mind forgets.
Suffice to say I lived with the symptoms for years and blamed myself for these
symptoms, until I finally processed the memories and realized through an
excellent therapist who was an expert in childhood Trauma and the effects, that
the abuse had affected my emotional and cognitive development. That is how
serious abuse is, and to hear the media blaming McKenzie and using the word
“consensual” shows how ignorant they truly want to be. McKenzie did use this
word but in my opinion, “consensual” is not the appropriate word to use. I
personally do not see it as “consensual” being that she was abused from her
childhood by her father and so she was psychologically and emotionally conditioned
and literally stuck in that traumatic nightmare. But again if this is where McKenzie
is at in her healing, then who am I to say what she should say or not, healing and
processing trauma takes time and it is a process. The abuse may appear one way
to a survivor in one stage of the healing and take on a different meaning as time
goes on.

]]> By: MomTFH http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/24/rape-apologism-and-the-response-to-mackenzie-phillips/#comment-14734 MomTFH Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:07:19 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=6470#comment-14734 I just wanted to say thank you to all of the survivors who have told their stories here. I believe every one of you. The truth is stronger than the people who are too afraid to believe it. I just wanted to say thank you to all of the survivors who have told their stories here.

I believe every one of you. The truth is stronger than the people who are too afraid to believe it.

]]> By: Christine http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/24/rape-apologism-and-the-response-to-mackenzie-phillips/#comment-14728 Christine Thu, 01 Oct 2009 01:58:07 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=6470#comment-14728 Unless someone is a victim they have no right to judge Mackenzie Phillips. They have no idea what it's like to live with sexual abuse. I'm so glad she wrote that book. Victims should never feel like they have to put it behind them as if it is something we shouldn't speak about. That's the biggest part of the problem...feeling like you should mention it because it's just too ugly. Yes it's ugly, but it happened, and it hurt people, especially the victim, and affected the rest of their life. It needs to be brought out in the open and dealt with. I despise the notion that somehow speaking about it will cause more hurt. That's like telling the victim that their hurt doesn't matter. Unless someone is a victim they have no right to judge Mackenzie Phillips. They have no idea what it’s like to live with sexual abuse. I’m so glad she wrote that book. Victims should never feel like they have to put it behind them as if it is something we shouldn’t speak about. That’s the biggest part of the problem…feeling like you should mention it because it’s just too ugly. Yes it’s ugly, but it happened, and it hurt people, especially the victim, and affected the rest of their life. It needs to be brought out in the open and dealt with. I despise the notion that somehow speaking about it will cause more hurt. That’s like telling the victim that their hurt doesn’t matter.

]]> By: Annie http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/24/rape-apologism-and-the-response-to-mackenzie-phillips/#comment-14714 Annie Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:11:44 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=6470#comment-14714 Julian, could you please explain what you found so offensive about Mary's comment? I saw no evidence of a white supremacist, racist, or misogynistic worldview, but perhaps I'm missing something. Julian, could you please explain what you found so offensive about Mary’s comment? I saw no evidence of a white supremacist, racist, or misogynistic worldview, but perhaps I’m missing something.

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