Comments on: So What If Mackenzie Phillips Has a Book Deal? http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/28/so-what-if-mackenzie-phillips-has-a-book-deal/ Sun, 05 Feb 2012 14:47:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Rad Geek People’s Daily 2009-09-30 – Wednesday Lazy Linking http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/28/so-what-if-mackenzie-phillips-has-a-book-deal/#comment-15070 Rad Geek People’s Daily 2009-09-30 – Wednesday Lazy Linking Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:39:18 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=6566#comment-15070 [...] So What If Mackenzie Phillips Has a Book Deal? Cara, The Curvature (2009-09-28). My post about Mackenzie Phillips and the public reaction to her recent revelation that her father John Phillips raped her has been linked pretty widely at this point, and as a result I have received some rather obnoxious and outright disgusting comments (and emails). That’s not a complaint, at all... (Linked Tuesday 2009-09-29.) [...] [...] So What If Mackenzie Phillips Has a Book Deal? Cara, The Curvature (2009-09-28). My post about Mackenzie Phillips and the public reaction to her recent revelation that her father John Phillips raped her has been linked pretty widely at this point, and as a result I have received some rather obnoxious and outright disgusting comments (and emails). That’s not a complaint, at all… (Linked Tuesday 2009-09-29.) [...]

]]> By: Yikes http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/28/so-what-if-mackenzie-phillips-has-a-book-deal/#comment-15049 Yikes Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:59:58 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=6566#comment-15049 Anyone who believes that it is anything but an excruciatingly painful process to write one's story of rape or incest needs to seriously rethink their understanding of the healing process. I have been writing my memoirs of extreme childhood sexual and emotional abuse for twelve years. If Ms. Phillips has access to the world of publishing there is absolutely no connect to a minimization of her pain. It takes raw guts to tell one's story to anybody, much less to the entire reading world. By voluntarily subjecting herself to the inevitable downplay and invalidation of her story by this misogynist culture she's doing a great service to the multitudes of victims out there who cannot speak their own voices. Walk a mile in another's moccasins then tell her all about it! Anyone who believes that it is anything but an excruciatingly painful process to write one’s story of rape or incest needs to seriously rethink their understanding of the healing process. I have been writing my memoirs of extreme childhood sexual and emotional abuse for twelve years. If Ms. Phillips has access to the world of publishing there is absolutely no connect to a minimization of her pain. It takes raw guts to tell one’s story to anybody, much less to the entire reading world. By voluntarily subjecting herself to the inevitable downplay and invalidation of her story by this misogynist culture she’s doing a great service to the multitudes of victims out there who cannot speak their own voices. Walk a mile in another’s moccasins then tell
her all about it!

]]> By: Carolyn http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/28/so-what-if-mackenzie-phillips-has-a-book-deal/#comment-15033 Carolyn Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:34:21 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=6566#comment-15033 I have been appalled at the vehement ugliness of the comments about Mackenzie Phillips in general. How brave of her to come out and share her experience. Whether she did it for money or not is immaterial. It is her trauma, her story, to do with it as she pleases. If she finds it cathartic to write a book, and happens to make a few bucks on it so what? Are you jealous your daddy didn't fuck you up so you could write a book? This woman NEVER stood a chance! Psychologically she was screwed from the start. She was so entrenched with her own pitiful version of Stockholm syndrome that she could not have done anything else without the help of a SANE influence in her life to guide her. Her entire life was chaos. The dynamics of her life with her dad are very common btw. I counsel juvenile sex offenders. I am constantly in meetings where I am the ONLY one who has not has sex with a parent.People, it SERIOUSLY fucks you up! Every decision you make after the original sexual contact is filtered through that paradigm of the feeling of needing to love your parent to survive.The warped sense that your parent is supposed to take care of you, and to do the right thing. Do people ever stop wanting a parent who loves them? Once that is warped and tainted, as in Mackenzie's case, it can go anywhere. For the love of God people, get your head out of your asses and try to have an ounce of compassion. You have no idea how close to home this issue hits for you. People in her situation are EVERYWHERE. They look just like you and your kids. They go to your church, shop at your grocery, and walk their dogs on your street. I have been appalled at the vehement ugliness of the comments about Mackenzie Phillips in general. How brave of her to come out and share her experience. Whether she did it for money or not is immaterial. It is her trauma, her story, to do with it as she pleases. If she finds it cathartic to write a book, and happens to make a few bucks on it so what? Are you jealous your daddy didn’t fuck you up so you could write a book? This woman NEVER stood a chance! Psychologically she was screwed from the start. She was so entrenched with her own pitiful version of Stockholm syndrome that she could not have done anything else without the help of a SANE influence in her life to guide her. Her entire life was chaos. The dynamics of her life with her dad are very common btw. I counsel juvenile sex offenders. I am constantly in meetings where I am the ONLY one who has not has sex with a parent.People, it SERIOUSLY fucks you up! Every decision you make after the original sexual contact is filtered through that paradigm of the feeling of needing to love your parent to survive.The warped sense that your parent is supposed to take care of you, and to do the right thing. Do people ever stop wanting a parent who loves them? Once that is warped and tainted, as in Mackenzie’s case, it can go anywhere.
For the love of God people, get your head out of your asses and try to have an ounce of compassion. You have no idea how close to home this issue hits for you. People in her situation are EVERYWHERE. They look just like you and your kids. They go to your church, shop at your grocery, and walk their dogs on your street.

]]> By: sarah http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/28/so-what-if-mackenzie-phillips-has-a-book-deal/#comment-14830 sarah Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:58:42 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=6566#comment-14830 I'd really like her to take the proceeds and get some counseling and closure for a time in her life when nothing was how it should have been. It was the 70's. There were drugs and free bulls..t everywhere. And when you have power, you can exploit it. Her dad exploitted the times, the drugs, her and her drug use. She has to live with those facts and realities. It's putting yourself in her shoes at those times, in that scenario of her real life. It had to suck if half of what she remembers is true - and I am not creditting or discreditting her. We more need to be concerned that this kind of thing happens and it's fall out for the children - OUR children. Imagine if she was your daughter and you were dealing with her damages. Cuz she is damaged no matter what anyone says. And no amount of money will fix that part. It's one day at a time with our own children and making them feel that they are valuable, and that their bodies are their temples. I tell my kids, boys and girls, that all the time. I’d really like her to take the proceeds and get some counseling and closure for a time in her life when nothing was how it should have been. It was the 70′s. There were drugs and free bulls..t everywhere. And when you have power, you can exploit it. Her dad exploitted the times, the drugs, her and her drug use. She has to live with those facts and realities.
It’s putting yourself in her shoes at those times, in that scenario of her real life.
It had to suck if half of what she remembers is true – and I am not creditting or discreditting her.
We more need to be concerned that this kind of thing happens and it’s fall out for the children – OUR children. Imagine if she was your daughter and you were dealing with her damages. Cuz she is damaged no matter what anyone says. And no amount of money will fix that part.
It’s one day at a time with our own children and making them feel that they are valuable, and that their bodies are their temples.
I tell my kids, boys and girls, that all the time.

]]> By: Linda http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/28/so-what-if-mackenzie-phillips-has-a-book-deal/#comment-14778 Linda Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:42:44 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=6566#comment-14778 Let's all make a promise NOT to buy anyone's CDs movies etc if they include raping a child or man or woman or abusing anyone. Think of all the shows and records and cds you paid for. Think of all the recording stars and actors such as peter Fonda promoting in a movie having sex with a minor, Ringo star singing about having sex with a minor and how about the Vagina Dialogues with the reference to a “good rape”. The list goes on and on! Enough with promoting and paying for rape people. Everyone is guilty of it. Stop it! Let’s all make a promise NOT to buy anyone’s CDs movies etc if they include raping a child or man or woman or abusing anyone. Think of all the shows and records and cds you paid for. Think of all the recording stars and actors such as peter Fonda promoting in a movie having sex with a minor, Ringo star singing about having sex with a minor and how about the Vagina Dialogues with the reference to a “good rape”. The list goes on and on! Enough with promoting and paying for rape people. Everyone is guilty of it. Stop it!

]]> By: Linda http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/28/so-what-if-mackenzie-phillips-has-a-book-deal/#comment-14777 Linda Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:23:52 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=6566#comment-14777 “Consent” is when you knowingly and have the freedom to accept responsibility for your behavior and choices. You would not say the Jews or Blacks consented to being enslaved, killed and raped. These people were adults as well. You need to study and understand that "choice" is not possible when you have been traumatized, brainwashed and manipulated and raped as a child or seen your family murdered and tortured as the Jews and Blacks have as well. Unless you are AWARE of what has happened to you and you have healed from the trauma, you are not consenting. If not you are just acting without thinking and FEELING. It is repression and a defense to just go along with whatever abusers ask of you because you fear for your life. The body reacts to abuse by shaking and becoming cold, going limp, etc. Your mind snaps and goes blank. You are somewhere else. You believe everything is OK or you will lose your mind. You think you are crazy. You must be under the impression that Philip's father was a nice guy. He was a sociopath. He had no capacity for love. All his actions were for self gratification. He was the crazy one. he is an abuser and killer of souls. Mackenzie like many women and men will repeat the abuse over and over again not because they "like and enjoy being abused" but because they are still in the moment a child and an abused person with out control over their lives. It is sad and very serious. People in this crisis state can't be trusted to care for their own children since they may place them in a rape and abusive situation. It is not as simple as some of you make it. Perhaps you should check out your own behavior and why you react the way you do by defending rapists. Maybe you are a victim and don't know it yet. But it will come to you one day. I only hope that you have caring people who will defend and support you when you need them. Good for Mackenzie for writing a book. I bought it and hope she can do others a good deed while making money. Being traumatized doesn't allow you to hold a job and make money. It is a very slow and traumatic process to heal from abuse. Some may never work or being able to have sex and a loving relationship. Some people may never recover. It is a deep and profound loss. It is crippling and destructive to the self and identity of the person. So please don’t write about “consent” and what you don’t know and understand. You just make yourself look ignorant. “Consent” is when you knowingly and have the freedom to accept responsibility for your behavior and choices. You would not say the Jews or Blacks consented to being enslaved, killed and raped. These people were adults as well. You need to study and understand that “choice” is not possible when you have been traumatized, brainwashed and manipulated and raped as a child or seen your family murdered and tortured as the Jews and Blacks have as well. Unless you are AWARE of what has happened to you and you have healed from the trauma, you are not consenting. If not you are just acting without thinking and FEELING. It is repression and a defense to just go along with whatever abusers ask of you because you fear for your life. The body reacts to abuse by shaking and becoming cold, going limp, etc. Your mind snaps and goes blank. You are somewhere else. You believe everything is OK or you will lose your mind. You think you are crazy. You must be under the impression that Philip’s father was a nice guy. He was a sociopath. He had no capacity for love. All his actions were for self gratification. He was the crazy one. he is an abuser and killer of souls. Mackenzie like many women and men will repeat the abuse over and over again not because they “like and enjoy being abused” but because they are still in the moment a child and an abused person with out control over their lives. It is sad and very serious. People in this crisis state can’t be trusted to care for their own children since they may place them in a rape and abusive situation. It is not as simple as some of you make it. Perhaps you should check out your own behavior and why you react the way you do by defending rapists. Maybe you are a victim and don’t know it yet. But it will come to you one day. I only hope that you have caring people who will defend and support you when you need them. Good for Mackenzie for writing a book. I bought it and hope she can do others a good deed while making money. Being traumatized doesn’t allow you to hold a job and make money. It is a very slow and traumatic process to heal from abuse. Some may never work or being able to have sex and a loving relationship. Some people may never recover. It is a deep and profound loss. It is crippling and destructive to the self and identity of the person. So please don’t write about “consent” and what you don’t know and understand. You just make yourself look ignorant.

]]> By: Linda http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/28/so-what-if-mackenzie-phillips-has-a-book-deal/#comment-14776 Linda Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:00:05 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=6566#comment-14776 Don't despair! Now we know who the rapists are and who has been raped and who identifies with the rapists just by reading their comments here. It is a sad fact that there are people you should never be friends with nor allow near you your children etc. This is the reality. They are not mature loving people with the capacity to feel and empathize. But it is wonderful to know there are decent people out their who care enough for others and respect and believe them when they have been harmed. Those who can't empathize are dead in their hearts and minds. They are less than human without a soul. I think it is a good thing we are defending Philips and others who have been deeply harmed. We are the courages ones. Thanks for the opportunity to share with like minds. Don’t despair! Now we know who the rapists are and who has been raped and who identifies with the rapists just by reading their comments here. It is a sad fact that there are people you should never be friends with nor allow near you your children etc. This is the reality. They are not mature loving people with the capacity to feel and empathize. But it is wonderful to know there are decent people out their who care enough for others and respect and believe them when they have been harmed. Those who can’t empathize are dead in their hearts and minds. They are less than human without a soul. I think it is a good thing we are defending Philips and others who have been deeply harmed. We are the courages ones. Thanks for the opportunity to share with like minds.

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]]> By: Kristen http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/28/so-what-if-mackenzie-phillips-has-a-book-deal/#comment-14752 Kristen Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:39:08 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=6566#comment-14752 "what do you make of the times she consented to the sex when she was an adult?" I would think that you have a fucked up definition of the word consent and lack the empathy required to understand how consent might be impaired by years of grooming. “what do you make of the times she consented to the sex when she was an adult?”

I would think that you have a fucked up definition of the word consent and lack the empathy required to understand how consent might be impaired by years of grooming.

]]> By: Cara http://thecurvature.com/2009/09/28/so-what-if-mackenzie-phillips-has-a-book-deal/#comment-14727 Cara Thu, 01 Oct 2009 01:53:07 +0000 http://thecurvature.com/?p=6566#comment-14727 No, that makes absolute sense Mai'a. I think you're right. No, that makes absolute sense Mai’a. I think you’re right.

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