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	<title>Comments on: Swedish Court Decides Sexual Assault is Not a Crime</title>
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		<title>By: Acey</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2010/01/14/swedish-court-decides-sexual-assault-is-not-a-crime/#comment-16384</link>
		<dc:creator>Acey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not that this wasn&#039;t sexual assault. It&#039;s that the Swedish penal code does not define this as sexual assault. See Ch 6 of the Swedish penal code: http://www.sweden.gov.se/content/1/c6/02/77/77/cb79a8a3.pdf

I think it might be sexual exploitation under Swedish law. It&#039;s possible they went for the sexual assault charge first, since that&#039;s the most serious, so that they could set a precedent and test the law. They can now downshift to other offences. It looks like you can still get 6 years for this. It may also fall under child porn or something - I didn&#039;t check the law on that.

So what this shows is that Sweden needs to expand its definition of the law. 

I&#039;m not a lawyer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not that this wasn&#8217;t sexual assault. It&#8217;s that the Swedish penal code does not define this as sexual assault. See Ch 6 of the Swedish penal code: <a href="http://www.sweden.gov.se/content/1/c6/02/77/77/cb79a8a3.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.sweden.gov.se/content/1/c6/02/77/77/cb79a8a3.pdf</a></p>
<p>I think it might be sexual exploitation under Swedish law. It&#8217;s possible they went for the sexual assault charge first, since that&#8217;s the most serious, so that they could set a precedent and test the law. They can now downshift to other offences. It looks like you can still get 6 years for this. It may also fall under child porn or something &#8211; I didn&#8217;t check the law on that.</p>
<p>So what this shows is that Sweden needs to expand its definition of the law. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a lawyer.</p>
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		<title>By: Thealogian</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2010/01/14/swedish-court-decides-sexual-assault-is-not-a-crime/#comment-16383</link>
		<dc:creator>Thealogian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;how exactly it is that litigious people causing headaches is worse than sexual assault being legal.&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;how exactly it is that litigious people causing headaches is worse than sexual assault being legal.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mortality</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2010/01/14/swedish-court-decides-sexual-assault-is-not-a-crime/#comment-16329</link>
		<dc:creator>Mortality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve e-mailed Halmstads Tingsrätt (district court) and I got a reply, but I think she forgot to attach the case or something xD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve e-mailed Halmstads Tingsrätt (district court) and I got a reply, but I think she forgot to attach the case or something xD</p>
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		<title>By: scwizard</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2010/01/14/swedish-court-decides-sexual-assault-is-not-a-crime/#comment-16316</link>
		<dc:creator>scwizard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well when you do manage to get your hands on the case, Cara is going to be very interested to know whether or not there is a law against undressing women against their will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well when you do manage to get your hands on the case, Cara is going to be very interested to know whether or not there is a law against undressing women against their will.</p>
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		<title>By: Mortality</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2010/01/14/swedish-court-decides-sexual-assault-is-not-a-crime/#comment-16307</link>
		<dc:creator>Mortality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and when it comes to anything law-related I don&#039;t trust the media anymore. I want to read the actual case before I say anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and when it comes to anything law-related I don&#8217;t trust the media anymore. I want to read the actual case before I say anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Mortality</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2010/01/14/swedish-court-decides-sexual-assault-is-not-a-crime/#comment-16306</link>
		<dc:creator>Mortality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Swedish law student I can tell you some things about our legal system. 

In criminal cases if something isn&#039;t outright illegal then it&#039;s legal. There is very little room for interpretation. A while ago someone was raped with a bottle, but the law said that sexual intercourse against someones will was rape. So they couldn&#039;t send that rapist to jail. They changed the law and now apart from sexual intercourse an act that is &quot;comparable&quot; is illegal too. It&#039;s up to the courts to determine what is &quot;comparable&quot;.

As my internet is messing with me right now I can&#039;t comment on the actual case since I haven&#039;t read it, but it is not illegal to photograph a person without their consent. Spreading nude pictures where you can identify someone on the other hand can be prosecuted as slander and/or some kind of child porn. 

Just taking pictures is not seen as an assault in and of itself. 

In general we have pretty low sentences for criminal charges. You won&#039;t see someone in Sweden getting a life sentence plus sixty years. You can get ten years for homicide (minimum sentence for homicide is ten years)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Swedish law student I can tell you some things about our legal system. </p>
<p>In criminal cases if something isn&#8217;t outright illegal then it&#8217;s legal. There is very little room for interpretation. A while ago someone was raped with a bottle, but the law said that sexual intercourse against someones will was rape. So they couldn&#8217;t send that rapist to jail. They changed the law and now apart from sexual intercourse an act that is &#8220;comparable&#8221; is illegal too. It&#8217;s up to the courts to determine what is &#8220;comparable&#8221;.</p>
<p>As my internet is messing with me right now I can&#8217;t comment on the actual case since I haven&#8217;t read it, but it is not illegal to photograph a person without their consent. Spreading nude pictures where you can identify someone on the other hand can be prosecuted as slander and/or some kind of child porn. </p>
<p>Just taking pictures is not seen as an assault in and of itself. </p>
<p>In general we have pretty low sentences for criminal charges. You won&#8217;t see someone in Sweden getting a life sentence plus sixty years. You can get ten years for homicide (minimum sentence for homicide is ten years)</p>
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		<title>By: anne</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2010/01/14/swedish-court-decides-sexual-assault-is-not-a-crime/#comment-16301</link>
		<dc:creator>anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Swede, I am continuously amazed by how the rest of the world views us as a country of equality utopia.  Gender roles are far stronger here than in the UK or North America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Swede, I am continuously amazed by how the rest of the world views us as a country of equality utopia.  Gender roles are far stronger here than in the UK or North America.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m Swedish. I don&#039;t know the laws all that well, but I DO remember that there about ten years ago was a case where a 14-year-old was raped by SEVEN GUYS, or possibly even more than that, none which could be charged with rape because she had been too drunk to say no. And, um, at the time, the law stated that if the woman/girl in question didn&#039;t outright SAY no... it couldn&#039;t be rape, just sexual assault. Which shaves a good decade off the max sentence.

I think they changed that particular law after this case, because people were outraged, but yes, I&#039;m not surprised at all about this. Our laws tend to be very direct; if it doesn&#039;t say in the law that something is forbidden, it&#039;s not a crime.

Another example: transgendered people have to get divorced before transitioning because if they were formerly in a straight marriage they can&#039;t get their sex reassignment surgery without being single - as two people of the same sex can&#039;t be married.

Actually, the law about same sex marriage changed this year, maybe that&#039;s not true anymore. But yeah. Down-to-the-last-letter laws. All the way.

Sadly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m Swedish. I don&#8217;t know the laws all that well, but I DO remember that there about ten years ago was a case where a 14-year-old was raped by SEVEN GUYS, or possibly even more than that, none which could be charged with rape because she had been too drunk to say no. And, um, at the time, the law stated that if the woman/girl in question didn&#8217;t outright SAY no&#8230; it couldn&#8217;t be rape, just sexual assault. Which shaves a good decade off the max sentence.</p>
<p>I think they changed that particular law after this case, because people were outraged, but yes, I&#8217;m not surprised at all about this. Our laws tend to be very direct; if it doesn&#8217;t say in the law that something is forbidden, it&#8217;s not a crime.</p>
<p>Another example: transgendered people have to get divorced before transitioning because if they were formerly in a straight marriage they can&#8217;t get their sex reassignment surgery without being single &#8211; as two people of the same sex can&#8217;t be married.</p>
<p>Actually, the law about same sex marriage changed this year, maybe that&#8217;s not true anymore. But yeah. Down-to-the-last-letter laws. All the way.</p>
<p>Sadly.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2010/01/14/swedish-court-decides-sexual-assault-is-not-a-crime/#comment-16292</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Bob, for reading the part of the post where I criticized the legislature for seemingly have not acted since it was ruled that a person could be filmed engaging in a sexual act without their consent. No one said the court could create a law. It&#039;s my understanding that courts can, however, generally &lt;i&gt;interpret&lt;/i&gt; law, though if in Sweden they cannot, the courts are very different from American ones, indeed! [For the record, I don&#039;t claim to know anything about the intricacies of Swedish courts. I don&#039;t. If, however, there was something not in the article I read that I should know, it&#039;d be useful to say what that is.]

Also: are you telling me that in Sweden, it is not illegal to undress a person without their consent? Because if undressing a person without their consent is legal in Sweden, that would certainly be good to know, and I will thank you for the information! I mean, that&#039;d be a whole other post, right there. If, however, you are just overlooking the fact that the perpetrator in question &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; assault the victim by lifting up her skirt, I am unimpressed.

I will however refrain from asking you, Bob, who presumably identifies as male, how exactly it is that litigious people causing headaches is worse than sexual assault being legal. Because I don&#039;t want to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Bob, for reading the part of the post where I criticized the legislature for seemingly have not acted since it was ruled that a person could be filmed engaging in a sexual act without their consent. No one said the court could create a law. It&#8217;s my understanding that courts can, however, generally <i>interpret</i> law, though if in Sweden they cannot, the courts are very different from American ones, indeed! [For the record, I don't claim to know anything about the intricacies of Swedish courts. I don't. If, however, there was something not in the article I read that I should know, it'd be useful to say what that is.]</p>
<p>Also: are you telling me that in Sweden, it is not illegal to undress a person without their consent? Because if undressing a person without their consent is legal in Sweden, that would certainly be good to know, and I will thank you for the information! I mean, that&#8217;d be a whole other post, right there. If, however, you are just overlooking the fact that the perpetrator in question <i>did</i> assault the victim by lifting up her skirt, I am unimpressed.</p>
<p>I will however refrain from asking you, Bob, who presumably identifies as male, how exactly it is that litigious people causing headaches is worse than sexual assault being legal. Because I don&#8217;t want to know.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. The author is way off base. The simple fact is (cue assumptions on Sweden being similar to America) the court determined this was not an act prohibited by law. The court cannot create non-existent law. If the legislature has not addressed the issue that is it. There is all sorts of conduct that is not addressed by the law. Sometimes it gets pointed out by cases such and this and the legislature moves to address it. At other times they have other things to do than force through an amendment to the criminal code.

The problem with creating a law prohibiting this type of conduct is that it would have to be standards, rather than rule based. That of course would lead to myriad problems of interpretation and application and open the door to even greater headaches. There is no easy drafting solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. The author is way off base. The simple fact is (cue assumptions on Sweden being similar to America) the court determined this was not an act prohibited by law. The court cannot create non-existent law. If the legislature has not addressed the issue that is it. There is all sorts of conduct that is not addressed by the law. Sometimes it gets pointed out by cases such and this and the legislature moves to address it. At other times they have other things to do than force through an amendment to the criminal code.</p>
<p>The problem with creating a law prohibiting this type of conduct is that it would have to be standards, rather than rule based. That of course would lead to myriad problems of interpretation and application and open the door to even greater headaches. There is no easy drafting solution.</p>
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