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		<title>By: Court denies restraining order, man murders son</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2010/02/04/court-ignores-mans-domestic-violence-prior-to-murder-suicide/#comment-19147</link>
		<dc:creator>Court denies restraining order, man murders son</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 19:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] me completely baffled at the competency of the judicial system. (Warning: Story may be triggering.) Via the Curvature, we find a horrendous case where three judges refused a woman protection from her ex-boyfriend in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] me completely baffled at the competency of the judicial system. (Warning: Story may be triggering.) Via the Curvature, we find a horrendous case where three judges refused a woman protection from her ex-boyfriend in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

That is indeed rather disturbing information -- though I should note that I&#039;m about 10 million times more concerned about the child&#039;s welfare than I am about a man&#039;s feelings. 

Here&#039;s the thing: what she did was wrong. In terms of sending the photo, it was immature and mean-spirited. In terms of taking it in the first place, it could in fact qualify as sexual abuse of a child.

But the fact that it causes you to not only put &quot;battered woman&quot; in scare quotes as though someone who does something wrong, or even has been abusive, cannot be abused says something really disturbing about you. As does the fact that it causes you to justify the murder of a baby as &quot;snapping&quot; and remark that calling murder wrong is &quot;pretty hilarious.&quot; Having all of the facts is important. In this case, it doesn&#039;t change anything at all about the fact that &lt;i&gt;a man murdered his child and it could have been prevented&lt;/I&gt;. It doesn&#039;t change the fact that no one is responsible for his murder but him. 

That you seem to think it does frankly makes me very, very frightened of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>That is indeed rather disturbing information &#8212; though I should note that I&#8217;m about 10 million times more concerned about the child&#8217;s welfare than I am about a man&#8217;s feelings. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the thing: what she did was wrong. In terms of sending the photo, it was immature and mean-spirited. In terms of taking it in the first place, it could in fact qualify as sexual abuse of a child.</p>
<p>But the fact that it causes you to not only put &#8220;battered woman&#8221; in scare quotes as though someone who does something wrong, or even has been abusive, cannot be abused says something really disturbing about you. As does the fact that it causes you to justify the murder of a baby as &#8220;snapping&#8221; and remark that calling murder wrong is &#8220;pretty hilarious.&#8221; Having all of the facts is important. In this case, it doesn&#8217;t change anything at all about the fact that <i>a man murdered his child and it could have been prevented</i>. It doesn&#8217;t change the fact that no one is responsible for his murder but him. </p>
<p>That you seem to think it does frankly makes me very, very frightened of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this blog post pretty hilarious.

The story that isn&#039;t told here is that Katie Tagle took pictures of herself giving oral sex to hew new boyfriend, genitalia in clear view, one hand &quot;on him&quot; and the other hand holding the baby&#039;s milk bottle and feeding Baby Wyatt. She then added the subtext &quot;Baby Wywy has a new daddy now&quot; and sent the pictures to the baby&#039;s father. Baby father snaps, kills himself and baby, and leaves message that he and his son will be together in heaven.

That is a &quot;caring mother&quot;? A &quot;battered woman&quot;? Someone you defend? The Earth Mother? Or perhaps an Empowered Woman? Someone traumatised by Garcia and simply reacting to his misogyny maybe?

The highly explicit, adult picture Katie Tagle took and sent to the baby&#039;s father is visible here, as picture 5 out of 5. This is in the public domain because it was part of the court documents, and verifiable.

http://www.examiner.com/examinerslideshow.html?entryid=1085906</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this blog post pretty hilarious.</p>
<p>The story that isn&#8217;t told here is that Katie Tagle took pictures of herself giving oral sex to hew new boyfriend, genitalia in clear view, one hand &#8220;on him&#8221; and the other hand holding the baby&#8217;s milk bottle and feeding Baby Wyatt. She then added the subtext &#8220;Baby Wywy has a new daddy now&#8221; and sent the pictures to the baby&#8217;s father. Baby father snaps, kills himself and baby, and leaves message that he and his son will be together in heaven.</p>
<p>That is a &#8220;caring mother&#8221;? A &#8220;battered woman&#8221;? Someone you defend? The Earth Mother? Or perhaps an Empowered Woman? Someone traumatised by Garcia and simply reacting to his misogyny maybe?</p>
<p>The highly explicit, adult picture Katie Tagle took and sent to the baby&#8217;s father is visible here, as picture 5 out of 5. This is in the public domain because it was part of the court documents, and verifiable.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.examiner.com/examinerslideshow.html?entryid=1085906" rel="nofollow">http://www.examiner.com/examinerslideshow.html?entryid=1085906</a></p>
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		<title>By: Judge Rules Daughters Must Have Overnight Visits with Sex Offender Father : The Curvature</title>
		<link>http://thecurvature.com/2010/02/04/court-ignores-mans-domestic-violence-prior-to-murder-suicide/#comment-16732</link>
		<dc:creator>Judge Rules Daughters Must Have Overnight Visits with Sex Offender Father : The Curvature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] more valuable than the children&#8217;s safety is one that frequently ends in abuse and trauma, and sometimes ends in even worse tragedies. I hope with everything I have, for the sake of those little girls, that I and so many others are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] more valuable than the children&#8217;s safety is one that frequently ends in abuse and trauma, and sometimes ends in even worse tragedies. I hope with everything I have, for the sake of those little girls, that I and so many others are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: amber</title>
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		<dc:creator>amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately this is not an isolated incident.  Judges continue to resist acquiring domestic violence education as they continue to ignore past behavior, arrests, etc. and current threats by abusive partners.  They continue to ignore statutory presumptions which require them to consider domestic violence when determining custody and visitation.  We&#039;ve been told that this is all to insure their objectivity (what about drug court~they go to upscale resorts for training on substance abuse issues).  It&#039;s also supposedly to enable children to have a relationship with the battering parent.  How many more studies do we need that conclude witnessing domestic violence as a child can be a precursor to engaging in domestic violence as an adult? How many more juvenile services will we need to create just because some judge thinks a child is better off having contact with their battering parent because &quot;just because he beats up Mrs. Smith doesn&#039;t mean he&#039;s a bad parent&quot; (oh, despite studies suggesting 50%+ abusers also abuse their children). Oh, and nevermind the preferential treatment they get when they are (finally)arrested for domestic violence themselves. Judges bemoan the challenges of making these types of decisions.  Don&#039;t or can&#039;t make those decisions? Get off the bench and do something that doesn&#039;t affect the lives of so many people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately this is not an isolated incident.  Judges continue to resist acquiring domestic violence education as they continue to ignore past behavior, arrests, etc. and current threats by abusive partners.  They continue to ignore statutory presumptions which require them to consider domestic violence when determining custody and visitation.  We&#8217;ve been told that this is all to insure their objectivity (what about drug court~they go to upscale resorts for training on substance abuse issues).  It&#8217;s also supposedly to enable children to have a relationship with the battering parent.  How many more studies do we need that conclude witnessing domestic violence as a child can be a precursor to engaging in domestic violence as an adult? How many more juvenile services will we need to create just because some judge thinks a child is better off having contact with their battering parent because &#8220;just because he beats up Mrs. Smith doesn&#8217;t mean he&#8217;s a bad parent&#8221; (oh, despite studies suggesting 50%+ abusers also abuse their children). Oh, and nevermind the preferential treatment they get when they are (finally)arrested for domestic violence themselves. Judges bemoan the challenges of making these types of decisions.  Don&#8217;t or can&#8217;t make those decisions? Get off the bench and do something that doesn&#8217;t affect the lives of so many people.</p>
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		<title>By: Ninth Carnival of Feminist Parenting &#171; Mothers For Women&#8217;s Lib</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ninth Carnival of Feminist Parenting &#171; Mothers For Women&#8217;s Lib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has a heartbreaking post titled Court Ignores Man&#8217;s Domestic Violence Prior to Murder-Suicide, bringing us news of a man who killed himself and his infant son despite the child&#8217;s mother [...]</description>
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		<title>By: A boy died &#171; Really? Law?</title>
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		<dc:creator>A boy died &#171; Really? Law?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 16:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] California: the blog The Curvature alerted me to this story about a man who killed himself and his 9-month-old son and posted about it (or had [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] California: the blog The Curvature alerted me to this story about a man who killed himself and his 9-month-old son and posted about it (or had [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Hosking</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Hosking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 03:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am doing something about this!

My name is James Hosking.  I am a Deputy District Attorney in San Bernardino County, and am now running for Superior Court Judge against Judge Bob Lemkau – based in part upon being outraged by his ruling that allowed this 9month old baby to be alone with his psychotic father, who then mudered him.

I just wanted to reach out to you, and thank you for covering this horrible story.

If anyone wants to get involved, I can be reached at:

www.ElectHosking.org
or
ElectHosking@sbcglobal.net

Thank you for your time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am doing something about this!</p>
<p>My name is James Hosking.  I am a Deputy District Attorney in San Bernardino County, and am now running for Superior Court Judge against Judge Bob Lemkau – based in part upon being outraged by his ruling that allowed this 9month old baby to be alone with his psychotic father, who then mudered him.</p>
<p>I just wanted to reach out to you, and thank you for covering this horrible story.</p>
<p>If anyone wants to get involved, I can be reached at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ElectHosking.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.ElectHosking.org</a><br />
or<br />
<a href="mailto:ElectHosking@sbcglobal.net">ElectHosking@sbcglobal.net</a></p>
<p>Thank you for your time.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashlyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashlyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree that these judges should be held accountable. Their actions lead to the death of that baby. We hold others accountable for less in their involvements in crimes. There isn&#039;t much the mother could have done to avoid that monster except trying to take off across the border. It&#039;s unacceptable. All the signs were there. This may sound extreme but as a mother I would personally make sure the judges were held responsible. Those judges would be the ones in need of a restraining order and protection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree that these judges should be held accountable. Their actions lead to the death of that baby. We hold others accountable for less in their involvements in crimes. There isn&#8217;t much the mother could have done to avoid that monster except trying to take off across the border. It&#8217;s unacceptable. All the signs were there. This may sound extreme but as a mother I would personally make sure the judges were held responsible. Those judges would be the ones in need of a restraining order and protection.</p>
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		<title>By: Lilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judges should be held accountable. There should have
been more investigation and the judges
should have done everthing they could to
make sure all parties were protected</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judges should be held accountable. There should have<br />
been more investigation and the judges<br />
should have done everthing they could to<br />
make sure all parties were protected</p>
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